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This is the first I am hearing of summon improvements in AP 2.5. Could you please elaborate?
Oops, I had a typo. In my mind, I was typing "We do have AP2.5, so maybe that has improvement over AP1 on summoning".
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This is the first I am hearing of summon improvements in AP 2.5. Could you please elaborate?
The devil in in the details. You can't say "this is non-beta, but works only on divided highways without any breaks in the divider, without any lane restrictions, without any accidents on the road, without anyone trying to cross illegally, without any parked trucks on the side of the road, without steep hills, without sunshine directly into the camera, etc, etc". That's why it's called beta, it has a bunch of exception situations where it fails and nobody knows the complete list, and even if they did, do you expect the user to memorize a long list of such situations and then have to watch to make sure they take over if any of them occur?You're too focused on hardware here. Think about AutoPilot: Tesla's position is that it works (albeit in that beta-y way) on divided highways, but you are free to try to use it under a broader range of circumstances. They could claim that it only works on divided highways, during daylight hours, when it is neither raining nor snowing (, etc.) and then be able to make a stronger (perhaps even non-beta-y) claim about how well it works under those restricted conditions, but they don't. They use (from my cynical perspective) the fact that there exist circumstances where it can't reasonably be expected to work as an excuse for not promising it works under any circumstances. For summon they could tune it so if it has any doubt about the car's position relative to nearby obstacles it just gives up and stops, but that would make it appear less impressive.
It is certainly not "standard use" of the term "beta" to refer to an undefined boundary between what is expected to work and what is not. The normal use of "beta" is to refer to something which has a well-defined set of intended capabilities, all of which are expected to either work reliably or be retracted by the time a non-beta version is released, some (typically, unknown) subset of which may not yet work reliably.The devil in in the details. You can't say "this is non-beta, but works only on divided highways without any breaks in the divider, without any lane restrictions, without any accidents on the road, without anyone trying to cross illegally, without any parked trucks on the side of the road, without steep hills, without sunshine directly into the camera, etc, etc". That's why it's called beta, it has a bunch of exception situations where it fails and nobody knows the complete list, and even if they did, do you expect the user to memorize a long list of such situations and then have to watch to make sure they take over if any of them occur?
I just don't see how we can watch the car closely in time to intervene where there is so little space on both sides. It won't take much for the car to make a steering change where a fender hits the wall or the garage door frame before we can stop the damage.
The provision to watch the car doing the parking IMHO is not practical exactly for the narrow garage scenarios where summon woudl actually be useful...
It seems the answer at this time is a clear no for any autonomous features, as clearly stated in the fine print for Summon and AP.The question here is: is there any subset of one of these beta features which Tesla would be willing to stand up and say "if that does't work, that's our responsibility"?
Odd: I don't see where hitting a key on the fob to immediately halt summon if you see something going wrong is a problem. It's instantaneous, not measured in seconds, and with the snail pace the summon moves the car, crashing into a wall if kind of hard to do, unless there's like less than six inches per side clearance.
One doesn't need to see all 4 corners of the car as it moves. Funny thing about it is that, if the left side moves right, the right side is also moving the same way. It's not clear to me why people think they need to watch all 4 corners...
Center the car about 4 feet from the garage opening, make sure you have your summon setting set to (tight or narrow, don't recall the exact wording) and watch the front wheels as it moves. If you're centered, the clearance will be the same on both sides.
Have been doing it since summon was first introduced in my AP2 MS.
Now one problem is, once inside the garage, the walls should have the same reflective surface for the ultrasonic sensors. You can test that the first time by sitting in the car while driving forward in the garage and watch the IC and what the sensors display. If they're not equal, either there's a problem with a sensor, or there are different surfaces causing different reflections.
That is why I've never used summon ever, and stopped using AutoPilot almost completely - I'm one of the few who read the fine print on those features, which basically says "Use at your own risk, it will fail multiple times in the lifetime of your car, and if you don't stop it in time any damages are 100% on you".
Unless your garage is narrower than the opening, it shouldn’t be a problem.You obviously have not seen our very narrow garage.
It's a close call on both sides in the best of circumstances so the margin is low. Also sometimes summon steering turns left and then right, as if trying to feel the environment. So by the time you start looking at the other side, it could have started steering the other direction already.
Summon is an imperfect implementation (just like autopilot) but I'm still glad I have it for my narrow garage. I use it to back my car out in the third person with my finger on the button. Also I've used empty boxes in spots to guide the car around blindspots like shelves that extend over the height of the proximity sensors.
I would definitely never let it park or back up without watching it.
Basically, you pull twice on the stalk to you and autopilot will make a "bing bing" sound. It's really awesome, and once you use it frequently and it becomes an extension of yourself....
Well, sir... buttershrimp.com was made for you.Not all bing bing sounds are awesome...