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I have an 85, so not far off, but was coming up from a meeting in Irvine, so Burbank is a reasonable place to charge up and not spend a lot of time charging to get over the mountains...I'll have to plan differently next time. Noticed a charger in Hawthorne I might try next time (Culver City is already out as it is nearly as crowded as burbank and is inexplicably slow (I could only get 46mph there last time).
Notes are a little too light IMO. TOW EM !I am completely baffled by this. This SC is located at a Tesla Service Center, right? Why don't they post an attendant? Put notes on the offender's cars? Come on Tesla!
Tesla could easily monitor crowded superchargers, identify cars that are plugged in but done charging for a certain amount of time, and call the owner.Notes are a little too light IMO. TOW EM !
I see that growth (in terms of cars sold, etc.) as a good thing. The problem of a small percentage of all Supercharger locations being overcrowded is clearly not a good thing. Tesla desperately needs more Superchargers in the greater LA area. Santa Ana and Buena Park will be coming online soon and that will help a lot. For long distance travelers on I5 it is doable to go from Orange County to the Bakersfield/Buttonwillow Superchargers and skip Burbank (unless they are in a 60).Unfortunately that growth doesn't appear to be slowing down for a long time..
I don't think locals are the problem.
I see that growth (in terms of cars sold, etc.) as a good thing. The problem of a small percentage of all Supercharger locations being overcrowded is clearly not a good thing. Tesla desperately needs more Superchargers in the greater LA area. Santa Ana and Buena Park will be coming online soon and that will help a lot. For long distance travelers on I5 it is doable to go from Orange County to the Bakersfield/Buttonwillow Superchargers and skip Burbank (unless they are in a 60).
It is certainly possible to have a courteous discussion about locals using Superchargers without resorting to insults and profanity. I welcome such a discussion. But posts that violate TMC rules will be dealt with appropriately.
I generally do not read the Supercharger threads in the other regional forums so I do not know if other Superchargers also have overcrowding issues, though I have noticed that the Hong Kong Superchargers seem to be very busy. Of course in Hong Kong almost no one has home charging because almost everyone lives in high rise apartments.
It is great to see that Tesla has solved the Tejon crowding problem by building two new Superchargers nearby in the past year. Next step is for a future software release to include the capability of informing the driver who many stalls are currently occupied at a Supercharger location long before the driver gets there so a decision can be made as to whether to use that Superchareger or use a different one.
I am skeptical that the reports this year of some California Superchargers delivering slower than normal charging rates have anything to do with Tesla growing fast.I think the biggest problem with growth is that I am seeing "slippage" in terms of supercharger quality, not just overcrowding. There are too many reports now of Superchargers being randomly slow. It's happened to me more than half the time I've superchaged and I have supercharged probably about 30 times at 15 different locations.
It is great to see that Tesla has solved the Tejon crowding problem by building two new Superchargers nearby in the past year. Next step is for a future software release to include the capability of informing the driver who many stalls are currently occupied at a Supercharger location long before the driver gets there so a decision can be made as to whether to use that Superchareger or use a different one.
I believe that locals are a big problem, as they are seen dropping their cars off and being driven away. Entirely unacceptable and I blame Tesla for not making simple steps to remedy this. However, I believe that saying that they have home charging is an assumption. I have not seen proof of this.They are, and specifically the ones with home charging solutions...which right now for Tesla owners [and especially around Burbank] is the overwhelming majority of owners.
Having home charging shouldn't be the criteria, rather it's can they install home charging?I believe that locals are a big problem, as they are seen dropping their cars off and being driven away. Entirely unacceptable and I blame Tesla for not making simple steps to remedy this. However, I believe that saying that they have home charging is an assumption. I have not seen proof of this.
Fair enough. Now how do we define "can"? Have the access AND the financial means? If they don't have access for whatever reason (apt dwelling, etc), that is certainly understandable. If it is cost prohibitive, how does someone judge that? Some people push the limit to get their Tesla's, and can't spare another $2,000 to run a line (in some cases, significantly more. Other times, less).Having home charging shouldn't be the criteria, rather it's can they install home charging?
Fair enough. Now how do we define "can"? Have the access AND the financial means? If they don't have access for whatever reason (apt dwelling, etc), that is certainly understandable. If it is cost prohibitive, how does someone judge that? Some people push the limit to get their Tesla's, and can't spare another $2,000 to run a line (in some cases, significantly more. Other times, less).
My opinion is that this neato software release, to tell us of all occupied SC stalls, would be virtually worthless. If the average traveler can charge enough to make the next jump in 20 minutes (and they can) an eight stall SC would be trading out cars every three minutes. If you were more than three miles away, your information would be useless. It would also not tell you of how long the waiting line might be, or which cars are going to sit there for two hours trying for a full charge (locals try), or which have finished charging while the owner sits in the nearby restaurant. Nor will it tell you of the other Teslas running up and down the grapevine who happen to be ahead of you and also plan to stop at Tejon or Buttonwillow. Some things you just can't know until you drive in.
Tesla's in proximity is detrimental in an urban environment. There are about 20 Teslas in my staff parking lot every day. Probably far more that come and go throughout the day. If my hospital was close to a SC (Burbank is smack in the middle of the city), then knowing that those 20, 30, even 50+ Teslas nearby is not only not helpful, but very confusing. It may be helpful on routes that are more remote, say Tejon, Buttonwillow and Bakersfield. This way, we could decide to go to the station with the best bet. You are correct though in that they need to work towards a solution. The update that we are told is coming does not have to be perfect. It is a start, and after a period of use, they can figure out the next step from there.True enough, but that shouldn't stop them from working towards a solution that can help some of those issues, even if they can't address all of them. If they know where each Tesla is, they can include cars in proximity. So it might be able to tell you, 7 of 8 stalls connected, plus 4 more Teslas nearby (say, 300 feet or so), which could be assumed to be waiting. And while that's not perfect, it's at least more information than you can get now from which to make a judgement. It would be most useful in high-usage or low-usage cases, probably - very full locations or very empty ones - and of course more useful the closer you are.