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Supercharger - Frederick, MD

Discussion in 'Mid-Atlantic' started by Nilnoc, Mar 1, 2018.

  1. gnuarm

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    I don't know what you mean about the mall. Maybe you are thinking of the Frederick Towne mall? That one has been dying for years. The FSK mall is doing well with many food outlets. Personally I have zero interest in fast food, but there is plenty here and a Wawa for a 24/7 bathroom.

    I don't really want to duplicate the gas station/truck stop experience when charging batteries. That is the thing I hate most about traveling, the lack of decent amenities. A Supercharger across Spectrum Drive from the Olive Garden puts the chargers in the middle of some dozen food places and near a gas station and a reasonable walk to a lot of mall shopping for the locals.
     
  2. gnuarm

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    Nilnoc, I don't know why you say that about the FSK mall. Perhaps you are thinking of the Frederick Towne mall?

    The FSK mall has a large number of places to eat, some of them fast food if that's what you require. It is convenient to the highway and there is a 24/7 gas station if you need a bathroom or gas. It has lots of room for the chargers and multiple entrances and exits.

    Of all the locations in Frederick, this is probably the best all around site.

    Today, because there is literally no place in Frederick to charge I had to travel 40 miles out of my way to use a Supercharger while I had breakfast. We are still in the stagecoach days when it comes to BEVs, Tesla included. If Tesla wants to sell more cars (assuming they can make them) they will need to increase the number of charging locations five fold or more. I stopped even looking at Chevy Bolts because GM has no charging solutions. For people in Frederick, MD Tesla has few good charging solutions. All cities the size of Frederick need a bank of Superchargers before BEVs will be commonly accepted.
     
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    I was reading in the Annapolis thread today. Seems like it is a slow process even after they start installation. Also, even though this installation is about ready to turn on, there is still no indication on the Tesla map other than the same locator saying, "Target opening by end of 2018" just like all the others.

    Just curious, any idea how many Teslas there are in Frederick county? I'm wondering how many people would be interested in chargers here? Folks who live places where they can't charge at home would need a Supercharger to be able to own one. I suppose apartment buildings might install destination chargers so residents could charge overnight.
     
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    I don't live there but commute through there on a biweekly basis. To me it is one of the most desired locations I want. Haymarket was a surprise to me and will also be good. I'm in the Chantilly VA area and go both ways. OF course Tysons would serve all four of our Teslas on a daily basis. Fredick would be a commuter stop for most part. I don't see to many tesla's around town.

    FYI there is a Sheetz in Walkersville on RT. 194 that is a little to far from the 270,15,70 interchanges but looks as if it was built out to handle a supercharging station. it currently has a temporary office trailer and store Sheets gas trucks. It would have been a text book location. I passed the Sheetz off 70 yesterday and looked there with no activity visible there.
     
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  5. gnuarm

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    To me gas stations are the worst location for Superchargers. Someone said they like having 24/7 bathrooms and I guess that is a significant factor. Chargers without bathrooms are not a good idea. I guess that is priority 1. lol
     
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    I have to say that a 24/7 bathroom at a Supercharger is priority 1, and so yes, this does lend itself to a convenience store location. And at least Sheetz locations have some semblance of food. An ideal site would be within safe walking distance of other food options, but if I had my choice between a mall with food court / restaurants, but which was only open from 10am-11pm and a gas station with 24/7 access to bathrooms and some snacks, I would choose the gas station and just make sure I picked up something to eat prior to pulling in.
     
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    Yes most diffinatly. I got to hagerstown at 9:05 one night heading home and found out EVERYTHING closes at 9 on sunday. I had to walk all the way up to Logans to eat and go to the bathroom.
     
  8. gnuarm

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    I meant to say "gas station" rather than "convenience store". I think convenience stores don't make bathrooms accessible.
     
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    Well you did actually say "gas station" and I (perhaps inaccurately) changed it to "convenience store", so my apologies for possibly taking your meaning incorrectly.

    I would agree with you that a pure "gas station" (i.e. a few gas pumps, maybe an air compressor, and a cashier) would make a horrible Supercharger site.

    But most "gas stations" these days (at least those along travel corridors) are attached to convenience stores with bathrooms, snacks & drinks, and ever more common, an attached (or built in) fast food outlet.
     
  10. gnuarm

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    Yes, the 24/7 gas stations are typically convenience stores and even fast food restaurants. That is exactly why I don't like them, lol! I don't eat much at fast food places. When I am on a long trip my ideal charging site would be always at 10% battery reserve and have a decent restaurant where I can get good food with wifi for the laptop to get a little work done. I don't expect the locations to improve hugely and given the recent trend to locate at the mega-gas stations it looks like my restaurant goal is moving further away. lol

    Yesterday I made the mistake of eating (for the second time) at the Shoney's in Whytheville, VA. I ate there because I'm not fond of Chinese and they don't offer wifi. Well, Shoney's wifi wasn't as strong as the signal from Day's Inn so maybe it would work at the Chinese place too? I'm not eating at Shoney's again. Yuck! I guess I could hold out until the next stop, but it ends up less optimal for time, especially in the south to north direction.
     
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    There is a web site to check status of new Superchargers. supercharge.info

    You can select DATA, Region then Country, sort of status and locations that have put in for a permit will show up at the head of the list. Nothing for Frederick as yet.
     
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    Hello! Just saw this thread and it's a topic I've been wondering about for months (and asking around about, to no avail).

    I live in Brunswick, Maryland (about 20 minutes west of Frederick). We're part of Frederick County. Right now, whenever I have a reason to go to downtown Frederick for a while and need to charge my Model S, I try to make use of the destination chargers graciously provided by the Paul Mitchell Temple. They have 100 amp service going to them, which is great for my car, since it's equipped with "dual chargers" that can take full advantage of that. (And they're a great place to get a haircut. You get better prices than salons because they're a school for people learning to work in salons.)

    Unfortunately, because of the placement of those 2 parking spots in the back of their building -- they often get blocked if someone needs to unload things there. And additionally, I've started noticing more people using them in recent months. Used to be, they seemed to be kind of a secret. If I parked there to use one, I got questions from employees who wanted to know how long it took to charge a Tesla on one, etc. (Got the idea they didn't see a whole lot of use.) But now, I've had to pass them by and do something different on a couple of occasions, because they were both occupied.

    My guess was that maybe that new Royal Farms on Buckeystown Pike would be the site for a new Supercharger station, but seeing they've just opened and looking at the layout there? I'm not sure they left much room for them to be added?

    I have to say, I find it rather irritating that the Mom's Market on Buckeytown Pike seems to have decided not to bother making the effort to get their Chademo charger to work properly with Teslas again. Long ago, they were (I believe) the first shop in the Frederick area to provide free EV charging for people. And clearly, they used to support Teslas because a big sign in their window instructed you to go inside if you needed to borrow their Tesla Chademo adapter they kept behind the counter. But for the last year or so, I've never been able to get that charger to work with my car. It starts communicating for several seconds and then throws an error code and shuts off. They repeatedly told me they had it "scheduled to be repaired" -- but nothing seemed to come of it. And the check-in apps like PlugShare indicate that for the last 6 months or so, nobody's been charging on it besides Nissan Leafs and Chevy Bolts and such.
     
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    Did you notice if the Paul Mitchell temple has a separate electric meter nearby? Or does it simply go into the buildings service. I had noticed the Ocean City Destination chargers at the Holiday inn were actually on a separate service. Done by Tesla? with your comment that they were 100A each is good, unless there networked. Tysons were Tesla units on 100A gen 1, when they upgraded to gen two they fall as more people plug in.
     
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    I didn't pay real close attention, but I *think* I remember it appearing to have its own electrical drop? In any case, I'm assuming it's a 100 amp total service supplied to both "heads" of the destination charger, so you only charge at 50% of the total amperage if 2 vehicles are attached simultaneously? (I think that's how those work? If one car finishes charging, the full available power is given back to the remaining car that's still charging.)

    Also, I'm not really sure if this is true or not? But I had an electrician visit my home in Brunswick when I was trying to get a quote for installing a high power circuit in my garage for my own car. She was from out in Mt. Airy, so that makes me a *little* less certain she knows all the ins and outs for Frederick County. But she told me Potomac Edison (our local power company) is the only one in Maryland who doesn't allow you to add a second circuit drop for something like an EV charger on a residential property. They only allow one drop and one meter per physical street address. If true, that bums me out because my service panel at home is pretty full already. I was thinking I'd like to just add a separate meter and 100 amp service for my charger -- but guess that's not happening.

     
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    When I look them up on Plugshare it shows as "private". You are saying Paul Mitchel Temple lets anyone use these chargers?


    I'm hoping they put some in the FSK mall parking lot near all the restaurants and the Wawa gas station on Rt 355. If I'm going to wait to charge I'd like to be able to do something. But I suppose spending 20-30 minutes to put enough range on to get back down the road is no big deal.

    Yeah, that's my experience too. The first time I tried it they were very helpful but seemed a bit unknowledgeable about it requiring not only the employee, but a manager to come out and view the error message. The second time it had a Leaf on it who's owner didn't return when the charge was complete with no way to send them a message. My third attempt didn't work either with the same error message, but this time an employee just said it's funny and works with some cars and doesn't with others. Couldn't tell if they meant Teslas, or just EVs in general. It may well be that the adapter is hosed. This is the only level 3 adapter in 25 miles, so Frederick is a bit of a waste land for BEVs at the moment.
     
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    There is a bank of 3 destination chargers in Leesburg, VA at a hotel I had to use a few times to get back to central VA. Over Thanks giving there was one car on it when I pulled up so I didn't get full rate and then a third pulled up who only needed to go another 15 or 20 miles to get home but just wanted to make sure he had enough. He lowered the charge rate to about 6 kW which is only 18 mph or so. He only stayed 10 minutes and continued on. I ended up sitting in the hotel lobby for an hour or so and fired up my laptop, likely to get on the forums here, lol. They put in a Supercharger in Haymarket (Rt 15 and Rt 66) which mostly solves my charging problems as long as I don't mind charging in both directions. A Supercharger in Frederick would really be the ticket since I could be sure to have enough range to reach it while Haymarket may or may not be reachable depending on how much driving I did while in Frederick. Plugging into 120 VAC in Frederick would help too, but it just seems a bother to get friends to let me park in their driveways close enough to plug in... etc. I mean, jeeze, I paid more for this car than I did for any of my houses and I have to beg for electricity to drive it!!! lol
     
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    If they are wired on a single circuit and have the comms connection between them it does work this way.


    I don't know for sure, but I believe code issues are statewide. So this guy likely knows the rules for the entire state.

    You likely would be better off with a single drop anyway. Billing is done separately for each meter and there are numerous fixed charges which you would have to pay twice even if you aren't using the other drop. You can have your service upgraded, but that is not cheap either. My house is 100 amp service and many years ago my dad looked into upgrading to 200 watts and it was going to be $1500. Now that would likely be $3000 or more. For you to go to something above 200 watts would be money for the install plus more money each month to the power company for the higher service fixed charges.

    They can always pull a branch circuit off the main panel. My dad added a heat pump and they installed a separate breaker panel beside the main panel with a 50 amp breaker. I'm pretty sure it doesn't go through the main 100 amp breaker. Your electrician should be able to tell you about your options.
     
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    I periodically check this report from Frederick County government:

    FREDERICK COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF PERMITS AND INSPECTIONS MONTHLY BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATIONS REPORT

    No dice through November 30, 2018.
     
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    Hey, just a quick note that I used the Chademo at MOMs just the other day, and a few times over the last year and it works great for me. I do have my own adapter, so perhaps the issue here is that their firmware just needs to be updated in theirs? If you are ever in the area and want to experiment, I work nearby and would be happy to track down where the problem is, and help MOMs get it fixed if it's the adapter.
    Peter


     
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    I don't believe that they'll include building permits from incorporated cities though. The City of Frederick, MD has its own permitting system. So if the site is strictly within the city limits, it wouldn't ever be listed in that report even if the permit was already applied for.
     

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