Supercharger - Fremont, CA - Tesla Factory (LIVE, 4 V2 + 8 V3 stalls)

[hans]

I would have thought it splits 60/60kW on shared 120kW SCs, unless the car charging next to me really only needed less than 30kW charging (started high SoC battery)... for those people who go out of their way for a 20 minute SC top-up at 10:30pm ?

Don't think it works that way. First person in gets max charge rate and the next person gets the leftover capacity.

 

[vfx]

These would have been great during TESLIVE.

 

[JPP]

vfx--at next year's Teslive we need to 'reserve' the Fremont superchargers...

 

[vfx]

vfx--at next year's Teslive we need to 'reserve' the Fremont superchargers...

Unless it's somewhere else...

 

[JPP]

...do you know something I don't know...Bonnie????

 

[ckessel]

Used them on a factory tour Monday. They superchargers were busy. It's right at the customer delivery center door. I suspect they'll be busy most of the time.

 

[Trnsl8r]

Used them on a factory tour Monday. They superchargers were busy. It's right at the customer delivery center door. I suspect they'll be busy most of the time.

They don't deliver cars fully charged any more?

 

[Banahogg]

They don't deliver cars fully charged any more?

Mine wasn't fully charged when I picked it up in February - there were a few days of vampire load missing from it. They did ask me before pickup if I needed a full charge before pickup, which I didn't (~15 miles away)

 

[ChriZ]

Went there today and found it was all full with also one owner waiting. Went inside the delivery center and met two of the owners (one was the waiting owner). There were 4 bays which meant only one owner was actually charging and with now two owners waiting including me. Later I found out that the delivery manager was charging her car on one and the other two were unknown. I asked the delivery specialist and they said were probably delivery cars and that they use them to top them off before delivery. He also said that they try to leave one open for visitors to use. So don't expect the bays to open too much during the office hours. It's mainly for employee use IMO. By the way, it was going at 90kw, not 120kw yet. But looks like each of the bays are 90kw each and not the charge sharing like other supercharger stations.

 

[Klaus]

But looks like each of the bays are 90kw each and not the charge sharing like other supercharger stations.

Does not match my experience. First, the stations are labelled 1A, 1B, 2A and 2B suggesting that the 1s and 2s are tied together.

Second, I was there on Sunday with 3 bays full, me being the 4th and my 60 only got 25-30 kW even though it was only 40% full when I started.

 

[Banahogg]

Does not match my experience. First, the stations are labelled 1A, 1B, 2A and 2B suggesting that the 1s and 2s are tied together.

Second, I was there on Sunday with 3 bays full, me being the 4th and my 60 only got 25-30 kW even though it was only 40% full when I started.

I saw the same thing when I was there on Sunday (don't think we overlapped - I don't remember a red), so I'm pretty sure it's the standard 4-bay layout.

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Brilliant... no hint on where to find the password I suppose?

The password is printed on a sheet of paper inside the delivery center across from the superchargers along with a few simple refreshments and the restrooms.

 

[hans]

The two recent examples were 69 and 70 kW at a low state of charge for a 60 kWh MS. Those are pretty close to your calculations. However, there is some slight taper at 80% in the marketing curve, so I would have expected to see a little more than 70 kW, maybe 75 kW for the low state of charge case. That's still pretty close!

I noticed in the Fremont Supercharger announcement email I recieved today says that "Superchargers can recharge half the capacity of Model S in as little as 20 minutes"

For a 60 kWh pack that works out to .5 * 60 = 30 kWh in 20 minutes, or 120 kW charging for 20 minutes.
For a 85 kWh pack that works out to .5 * 85 = 42.5 kWh in 20 minutes, or 170 kW charging for 20 minutes.

These numbers just don't sound right at all and can set incorrect expectations.

 

[Benjamin Brooks]

I noticed in the Fremont Supercharger announcement email I recieved today says that "Superchargers can recharge half the capacity of Model S in as little as 20 minutes"

For a 60 kWh pack that works out to .5 * 60 = 30 kWh in 20 minutes, or 120 kW charging for 20 minutes.
For a 85 kWh pack that works out to .5 * 85 = 42.5 kWh in 20 minutes, or 170 kW charging for 20 minutes.

These numbers just don't sound right at all and can set incorrect expectations.

That's because your math is wrong 120kW @ 20 minutes = 40kWh

 

[hans]

That's because your math is wrong 120kW @ 20 minutes = 40kWh

Darn Math Degree is good for nothing. There are only 3 20 minute intervals in an hour, not 4.

Let me do that again.

For a 60 kWh pack that works out to .5 * 60 = 30 kWh in 20 minutes, or 90 kW charging for 20 minutes.
For a 85 kWh pack that works out to .5 * 85 = 42.5 kWh in 20 minutes, or 127.5 kW charging for 20 minutes.

That puts the claim into the fuzzy area of something that nobody is seeing today, but that might be available in the future with a firmware update and 120kW superchargers.

 

[ChriZ]

Does not match my experience. First, the stations are labelled 1A, 1B, 2A and 2B suggesting that the 1s and 2s are tied together.

Second, I was there on Sunday with 3 bays full, me being the 4th and my 60 only got 25-30 kW even though it was only 40% full when I started.

I saw the same thing when I was there on Sunday (don't think we overlapped - I don't remember a red), so I'm pretty sure it's the standard 4-bay layout.

You guys are right. I thought it was 90kw because the car next to me was charging too. Turns out its a 1a 2a 1b 2b setup. So yeah its shared.

 

[gregincal]

Darn Math Degree is good for nothing. There are only 3 20 minute intervals in an hour, not 4.

Let me do that again.

For a 60 kWh pack that works out to .5 * 60 = 30 kWh in 20 minutes, or 90 kW charging for 20 minutes.
For a 85 kWh pack that works out to .5 * 85 = 42.5 kWh in 20 minutes, or 127.5 kW charging for 20 minutes.

That puts the claim into the fuzzy area of something that nobody is seeing today, but that might be available in the future with a firmware update and 120kW superchargers.

Note that an 85kWh pack doesn't really have 85 useable kWhs. More like 81. So the 120kW charger should be able to just about do it. Obviously the "Superchargers can" wording is referring to the 120kW chargers.

 

[hans]

Note that an 85kWh pack doesn't really have 85 useable kWhs. More like 81. So the 120kW charger should be able to just about do it. Obviously the "Superchargers can" wording is referring to the 120kW chargers.

Not obvious at all for a S60 owner like me. If a 60 kWh pack can be charged to 50% capacity in 20 minutes at a 90 kW charge rate, then the missing piece is the new firmware to make this happen and not the requirement for a 120 kW supercharger.

 

[MichaelS]

Tried to use the Supercharger 10/14/2013 and again they were all occupied.

But the good news is that I saw construction for I believe 4 more stations next to the current 4. So now the chances of getting an open Supercharger will go from 1% to maybe 5% when the new ones open up.

 

[Kaivball]

Same here. Went there last week and all four were taken. 3 by Tesla for charging Demo and delivery cars, only one was a "real" customer and I had to wait 15 minutes.

Getting 4 more is good.

 

[jkliu47]

Got the maiden Supercharge 10/16 for the Model S85 I picked up at Fremont 2 days prior. The only 3 available stations were occupied so I had to wait 30 minutes. The remaining units were cordoned off because the asphalt was still setting.