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Supercharger - Groveland, CA (7 V2 stalls)

ohmman

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That will be great for visiting Yosemite if the chargers inside the park get too crowded to charge.

"The chargers" -- that's a limited group. I counted one HPWC (80A, though!) and a J1772 at the Ahwahnee, and a J1772 at the market. I think Curry Village might have a 120 or something available, but not much more than that. This will be a really big assist, if it happens.
 
"The chargers" -- that's a limited group. I counted one HPWC (80A, though!) and a J1772 at the Ahwahnee, and a J1772 at the market. I think Curry Village might have a 120 or something available, but not much more than that. This will be a really big assist, if it happens.

Yeah, I currently consider it too risky to drive my S to Yosemite because of the limited charging. Too many visitors, so too much uncertainty (with an average of over 10,000 visitors a day, it would only take about 10 Tesla's visiting on the same weekend to really gum things up). I normally drive through Mariposa, but the Groveland supercharger isn't too far out of the way to make a great backup.
 

ecarfan

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My wife and I have driven our S to Yosemite many times, but we manage it by staying at locations near the park that offer some form of L2 charging. A Supercharger in Groveland would be cool.
Note that the Groveland Hotel has an HPWC that non guests can use for a small fee. My wife recalls it was something like $6. Obviously a Supercharger would be far better.
 

ecarfan

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I went to evtripplanner.com to calculate energy usage from Groveland to Mammoth. Of course Tioga Pass is closed right now, so the map routing goes way around to the north. I'm on mobile devices right now and can't change the route. Can someone check the energy usage when taking the Tioga Pass route? On a desktop you should be able to fix the map routing.
 
Using no difference in ambient and cabin temp, and 200 lbs load..

Distance: 118.5 miles
Net Elevation Change: 5045 feet

Best Case = S70 w/19s: 36kWh, 120RM
Worst Case = P85D w/21s: 39kWh, 130RM

Should be very easy for anyone.
Glad to see that Tesla sometimes listens to our pleas. I checked Groveland or Jamestown (Chicken Ranch Casino) to Lee Vining and/or Mammoth for an S60 with 19s using EVTriplanner (a few months back, when the road was still open), with various loads and temps. I assumed worst case was a 1,000 lb. load at 32 deg. ambient and 72 deg. cabin @ 1.0 speed, not unknown for an October trip at night, although 1.0 speed would be slower than I'd normally do the trip. My notes are at home, but IIRR Chicken Ranch - Mammoth took about 208 RM in those conditions. IIRC, it was around 170 RM from Groveland in the same conditions. IIRR, Groveland rather than Jamestown was really important to get to Mammoth without too much sweat, even in summer, unless you got a 100% charge and had minimal degradation. Even so, an SC in Lee Vining is still needed to make Groveland - east side easily. Coming back, there's so much downhill from Tioga Pass that it's easy to make it from Mammoth. I can dig up my notes and post some harder numbers if anyone's interested.

It does seem a bit premature to put it on supercharge.info, if a permit hasn't been granted yet.
 
The Tuolumne County Board of Supervisors voted 3-0 to move forward with the station. Video of the meeting is here, with the Tesla agenda item starting at 1:10:21. All the supervisors were quite enthusiastic about it and also wanted Tesla to install a station in Sonora.
Excellent news, although I'm unclear if that means a permit has been issued; I assume not. I do think that Jamestown would be a better choice than Sonora, as it will better serve people turning off to Angel's Camp via Rawhide Rd. and then heading up Hwy 4 as well as Hwy 108, but Sonora, while adding about 5 miles to the trip to Hwy 4, also works.
 
On supercharge.info, permit is just a place holder to mean that there is a credible evidence that there will be a supercharger at that location. The location marker links to this forum for more detailed information.
Has the policy been changed? I've been watching supercharge.info at least since 2013, and a blue marker used to mean that a permit had been approved - they're still labelled "Permit", not "permit pending". Considering how long it sometimes takes to go from permit to construction (Crescent City's close to 11 months currently), and the occasional falling through of a site (remember Greenville), ISTM the last thing we need is to be adding even less certain (and further out in time) SC locations to the map, no matter how enthusiastically politicians may react - the permit dept. still gets their say. We can certainly talk about probable or desired sites on TMC, but if Blueshift's reading this I for one would prefer that only confirmed permits are given blue markers on supercharge.info. As it is, given the fall off in SC construction so far and Tesla's apparent cash crunch, blue permit markers may be all we have to show for many sites this year.
 
Has the policy been changed? I've been watching supercharge.info at least since 2013, and a blue marker used to mean that a permit had been approved - they're still labelled "Permit", not "permit pending". Considering how long it sometimes takes to go from permit to construction (Crescent City's close to 11 months currently), and the occasional falling through of a site (remember Greenville), ISTM the last thing we need is to be adding even less certain (and further out in time) SC locations to the map, no matter how enthusiastically politicians may react - the permit dept. still gets their say. We can certainly talk about probable or desired sites on TMC, but if Blueshift's reading this I for one would prefer that only confirmed permits are given blue markers on supercharge.info. As it is, given the fall off in SC construction so far and Tesla's apparent cash crunch, blue permit markers may be all we have to show for many sites this year.

If a permit has been approved, then that usually means construction is beginning. A blue dot theoretically means it's in the permitting process but in practice it has always meant more generally "the specific site is set but it's not under construction yet".
 
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emupilot;1396924[B said:
]If a permit has been approved, then that usually means construction is beginning[/B]. A blue dot theoretically means it's in the permitting process but in practice it has always meant more generally "the specific site is set but it's not under construction yet".
I don't know that the bolded section is the case. I can think of a lot of SCs (in addition to the ones I mentioned a post back) that had considerable periods of time between permit approval and construction start. Blueshift even shows the length of time since approval and/or construction start in a couple of charts. In any case this is OT, so that's the last I'll have to say on that issue here.
 
Te blue dot is added once the site location is known. Permit is not the right label -- that is what blueshift called it, mostly because early on the address was found on permits. But several other sites have been added based on articles about public meetings that reveal the site location... Not worth nitpicking -- it reflects a coming soon site that is not under construction yet...
 

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