I stayed at the hotel there at Harris Ranch one night and it was very nice. They were smoking up some nice BBQ pork there and it smelled delicious. Highly recommend staying there if it fits your trip. Much better than any other place I've stayed with Tesla chargers on site.
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Supercharger - Coalinga, CA (LIVE 15 Dec 2022, 80 stalls)
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Moderator note: Note this thread is about expansion activity colocated with an existing Supercharger site.
It's not clear whether this will be considered a separate site (in the Tesla nav, app, etc.) or whether it's going to be an expansion of the existing one. If the latter, we'll probably combine this thread with the existing Harris Ranch thread which, for reference, is:
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/supercharger-harris-ranch-ca-18-v2-stalls.14279/
Carry on,
Bruce.
It's not clear whether this will be considered a separate site (in the Tesla nav, app, etc.) or whether it's going to be an expansion of the existing one. If the latter, we'll probably combine this thread with the existing Harris Ranch thread which, for reference, is:
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/supercharger-harris-ranch-ca-18-v2-stalls.14279/
Carry on,
Bruce.
eladts
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It seems that at least for now Tesla treats this as a separate site. There are already precedents of separate sites in close proximity, for example Tivoli Village.
In 2014/2015 Tesla prototyped a battery swap solution for the Model S. There was a swap station at Harris Ranch (in the old car wash) and you could make an appointment to swap for around $50 IIRC. It never really caught on, since you had to arrive for the appointment, then do the swap - but you could charge immediately so it worked out slower than just charging.
so it never really caught on. It was fast, around 5 minutes, but you had to return on the way home to get your original pack back - a lot more hassle basically!
AMPd
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Zero chance there’s going to be semi truck charging here, sure trucks park there now but that’s because it’s a dirt lot.
Once Tesla builds the Chargers there will be no room for a semi.
There was a pilot battery swap station for the Model S that Tesla set up in the old car wash at Harris Ranch. It ran for about a year while Tesla collected data on its viability. With free supercharging and (IIRC) about $30 for a battery swap, most folks chose the free supercharging. There were other inconvenience issues such as the need to schedule one's stop to be sure they had the right battery type in stock and, you had to stop by on your way back home to swap back to your original battery. We can be quite sure that Tesla has all of the data on demand so that, if things change, they know whether it is worth trying to design cars for battery swap again. We don't know if the Model 3 or newer cars can even do battery swap. The Model S had been out for a few years before we knew its battery was swappable.
I feel like a long time ago there was a statement to the tune of "the model 3 doesn't have the right features or assembly points to do an automated battery swap; instead they're designed for more efficient initial assembly", which of course would apply to Y as well. Logic suggests any S can theoretically go through an automated battery swap (there's no real upside in designing out the feature), and likely Xes too since the skateboard is very similar to an S.
Ubiquity of fast chargers and mega size batteries will quickly OBE battery swap for all but the most inconsequential percentage of private owners (it pretty much has already) and even commercial/fleet applications, at least for use cases where a vehicle doesn't benefit from literal 24/7 operation...which is pretty much anything today.
eladts
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Tesla did design out battery swap from the Model S by adding under-body protection in 2014. This was also retrofitted to older car so no Tesla currently on the road is capable of battery swap. Furthermore, future Tesla vehicles will have structural batteries which entirely rule out battery swap.
Just to align on terminology, Tesla did not ‘design out’ battery swap from those vehicles (and again, presumably all S and likely X on the road). The cars are still capable of having their batteries dropped down and replaced. Whether the legacy battery swap equipment has the capability to remove and/or work around any undercar enhancements is a different conversation.
To wit, one does not ‘design out’ the functionality of a door simply by adding a deadbolt to said door.
Exactly. The Service Centers still swap batteries when needed. They just don't have the automated equipment that would allow it to be done twice in 5 minutes so it takes them a bit more time.
eladts
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Of course the batteries can still be swapped if needed by service centers, but this process isn't automated and it takes more time. This rules out battery swap as an alternative to fast charging.
Again, to re-set context, there's nothing in the fundamental configuration of the 'at one time swap-capable' early model S vehicles (and again, presumably all S and likely all X on the road) that prohibits automated, "fast" battery swaps.
That service centers are manually dropping and reinstalling batteries is a function of the expense/complexity/size/infrequent need/etc. of automated swapping equipment, not some inherent, fundamental design limitation of the vehicles.
I'd urge caution to not conflate the above with the inability of those cars to right now, today go through Tesla's Harris Ranch carwash for a battery swap. It is a near certainty that the last known configuration of that specific set of automated swapping equipment--if it even exists at Harris anymore--would require modification to account for ancillary underbody changes over the years, including retrofitted/factory installed battery shields.
The added shielding didn't prevent battery swap, but it slowed the process down a bit compared to the reveal demo. The swap station didn't actually open until later in 2014, by which point it seems most all cars had the shielding installed: Battery Swap Pilot Program
It seems that even the newest Model S/X are theoretically swap capable. But there's no longer anywhere to do so, and since later models weren't designed for swap, there probably never will be.
AMPd
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