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Supercharger - Manteca, CA - Perimeter Drive (LIVE 12 Feb 2015, expanded 12 Dec 2017, 20 V2 stalls)

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Harris Ranch to Manteca is pretty much the ideal distance between superchargers. There would still need to be another before Corning for better spacing, but it still would be possible to go straight through on I-5 without a detour to Vacaville. Serving Highway 99 and travel to Yosemite (even if destination charging is needed to get back) gives Manteca triple utility that you wouldn't get at a location farther south. This is a glaring hole in Tesla's well-used California network - I wonder what would make Tesla cancel after it was approved by the city.

I echo everything you say here. Hard to find a better spot than Manteca, although perhaps there is a better spot in Manteca that Tesla has its eyes on.
 
I echo everything you say here. Hard to find a better spot than Manteca, although perhaps there is a better spot in Manteca that Tesla has its eyes on.
Yes, Harris Ranch to Manteca is a good distance, but as emupilot says it would need another SC to the north in any case. Lodi is the closest city/town on I-5 to being midway between Corning and Harris Ranch, about 150 miles to each. Too far in winter at typical I-5 speeds or with strong headwinds.

If they do go ultimately go with Manteca, then will they choose something like North Natomas (99N), Woodland or Dunnigan (Dunnigan seems unnecessary with Vacaville), or Williams (Granzella's seems like an obvious location) to also cover the east/west traffic along SR 20? Although it's only 55 miles or so from Corning, Williams is 123 or so from Manteca.
 
Yes, Harris Ranch to Manteca is a good distance, but as emupilot says it would need another SC to the north in any case. Lodi is the closest city/town on I-5 to being midway between Corning and Harris Ranch, about 150 miles to each. Too far in winter at typical I-5 speeds or with strong headwinds.

If they do go ultimately go with Manteca, then will they choose something like North Natomas (99N), Woodland or Dunnigan (Dunnigan seems unnecessary with Vacaville), or Williams (Granzella's seems like an obvious location) to also cover the east/west traffic along SR 20? Although it's only 55 miles or so from Corning, Williams is 123 or so from Manteca.

Hopefully years down the road this will be moot and there will be SCs in the Manteca area and a point to the north that would be a good stopping point for people heading to Corning. Right now, somewhere near Manteca seems to serve as a mid-way point for people in the Bay Area heading to Yosemite and people heading from Harris to the Sacramento or Sierras/Tahoe, even though it is not ideal for those heading further north onward to Corning.

I don't know how many people actually driving from SoCal all the way to Oregon or Mt. Shasta and if they do, whether a brief stop in Sacramento to add a few miles as a buffer would be a major inconvenience. 170 miles (distance from Manteca to Corning) should be doable in an 85 even in bad weather and headwinds unless trying to set the land speed record.
 
A location now in Manteca might have bollixed up the placement along SR99 for Valley destinations as well as the National Parks. It is 250 miles from Ft. Tejon SC to Manteca. The Visalia airport (just east of 99/198 junction) is 101 miles from Ft. Tejon, and Modesto is 131 miles from Visalia. I don't know if Fresno is or will be in the mix--perhaps not on 99 but on 41 as there is a large, modern outdoors mall on the north end of town, and SR41 is the southern access to Yosemite. That would enable Teslas to hit both Sequoia/Kings Canyon and Yosemite with minimal inconvenience.

Lathrop (where Tesla bought some land) is about 130 miles or so from Harris Ranch, and only about 4 miles north of the SR120 split-off from Interstate 5.

Corning is about 190 miles from Modesto and about 175 miles from Lathrop, so maybe a placement in Woodland would mitigate those distances for the 60kWh battery.

Maybe placements in these locations (or close by) would make it easier for East Bay folks and Southern California folks to reach the Valley and the National Parks. Plus, it makes residents from Bakersfield north to be able to use SR99 to reach Sacramento and beyond without veering over to Interstate 5 or detouring to Folsom or Roseville to continue north.
 
Darn :mad: I was looking forward to this location as it's very near the midpoint between San Jose and Bear Valley. It was the perfect location for a top off and leg stretch (we stop in Manteca all the time on our way up or back)

While the Lathrop plant will work, the shops and food joints are not there.
 
The Mossdale (N) and Manthey (S) exits on the West side of Manteca would be ideal. They are the only exits on the short stretch where the I-5 and I-205/120 (Bay Area to Yosemite) run concurrently.
Not much there; an arco station and a Fruit stand/cafe. It's 172 miles to Corning, long haul for a 60.
The fruit stand does have a very large parking lot, though.
 
The new supercharger is highly likely going to be located (in a hurry) at the Tesla property in Lathrop. They own it, getting a permit is simple, and getting the work completed will be much faster on private property. It will be like charging in Fremont. I'll bet this will be confirmed within days or a few weeks.

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http://insideevs.com/tesla-acquires-431000-square-foot-facility-lathrop-california-begins-manufacturing-modifications-site/

Right off I-5 at Louise Ave. exit then south on frontage road to the factory. The existing front office will probably be converted to a customer lounge and showroom similar to Fremont with the supercharger stalls located in the front parking lot.
 
The Mossdale (N) and Manthey (S) exits on the West side of Manteca would be ideal. They are the only exits on the short stretch where the I-5 and I-205/120 (Bay Area to Yosemite) run concurrently.
Not much there; an arco station and a Fruit stand/cafe. It's 172 miles to Corning, long haul for a 60.
The fruit stand does have a very large parking lot, though.
IIRR, the Arco station is only accessible to northbound traffic. I've stopped there once or twice for gas, but I don't think there's any convenient way to get there when S/B on 5, and I don't think Tesla wants to do more dual stations like Darien etc. Just seems like a lot of extra work if you can find an accessible location for both directions.

Re 99 and access to the National Parks, you pretty much need SCs along 99 in Bakersfield; Visalia (SW entrance to Sequoia/Kings and main route to Mineral King); Fresno (NW entrance to Sequoia/Kings, plus Shaver Lake/Huntington Lake/Lake Edison and SW entrance to Yosemite); Merced (Western entrance to Yosemite, most all-weather route) and Manteca (NW entrance to Yosemite). Alternatively, you could put SCs closer to the park on the main highways, say Jamestown/Groveland/Buck Meadows (120); Mariposa/El Portal (140); and Oakhurst/Fishcamp (41); and maybe Squaw Valley (180) and Lemon Cove/Three Rivers (198).
 
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GRA, Jamestown would be a winner. Decent spot with amenities; friendly atmosphere; convenient for Yosemite, SR49 north through the Mother Lode to connect at planned charger at Placerville; access across Sonora, Ebbets or Carson Passes. Mariposa would be OK, but not a lot to do there except walk through old town, see the 1857 courthouse or maybe the gold museum. Oakhurst is fair (but the Indian casino just south of Coarsegold might prove more popular). The only thing at Fish Camp is the Marriott Hotel--I guess Tesla could partner with them, but why if Yosemite is the destination? The hotel would not get much business. For Tulare County Lemon Cove is a small community that primarily exists for the farmworkers and has nothing. Three Rivers has a couple of restaurants scattered along the highway with a small strip center with market, post office, cleaners and a few offices. One ordinary motel is there. Squaw Valley is a redneck haven with nothing other than a quick stop off to grab some beer and ice or some of that hippie lettuce. Rio Vista would be a nicer place to charge than those locations!

On SR41 about 3 miles south of the San Joaquin River and Madera County there is an upscale outdoor shopping mall with theaters, plenty of places to eat, shop and just people-watch. They have ample available parking behind the theater that hardly gets used, and security is good. "River Park" is the name. It has easy on and off the freeway at the Friant Road/Nees Avenue exit. Or, about 3+ miles from our house is a brand new center about 1/4 mile off SR99 that currently has Target, Old Navy, other stores plus about 4 places to grab a quick bite. This center is still being developed with more stores.

Plotting the Western United States is sure a difficult proposition with the long distances and general dearth of decent population centers to provide some things to do while charging!
 
The new supercharger is highly likely going to be located (in a hurry) at the Tesla property in Lathrop. They own it, getting a permit is simple, and getting the work completed will be much faster on private property. It will be like charging in Fremont. I'll bet this will be confirmed within days or a few weeks.

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Tesla Begins Manufacturing Modifications On Its New 431,000 Square Foot Facility In Lathrop, California

Right off I-5 at Louise Ave. exit then south on frontage road to the factory. The existing front office will probably be converted to a customer lounge and showroom similar to Fremont with the supercharger stalls located in the front parking lot.

It's not a good location, due to amenities. Perhaps you are right, since Hawthorne and Fremont have the same problem. But I hope they are planning one that's near restaurants and such.
 
GRA, Jamestown would be a winner. Decent spot with amenities; friendly atmosphere; convenient for Yosemite, SR49 north through the Mother Lode to connect at planned charger at Placerville; access across Sonora, Ebbetts or Carson Passes.
Carson Pass would be a bit of a stretch from Jamestown, and I'd think Jackson would be a good place for an SC if we're looking to put them near/along 49; otherwise Lodi or Stockton, as both have connections east and west. But the access to 4/108/120 is why I like Jamestown. Yosemite Junction would be even better, except there's nothing there anymore.


Mariposa would be OK, but not a lot to do there except walk through old town, see the 1857 courthouse or maybe the gold museum. Oakhurst is fair (but the Indian casino just south of Coarsegold might prove more popular). The only thing at Fish Camp is the Marriott Hotel--I guess Tesla could partner with them, but why if Yosemite is the destination? The hotel would not get much business. For Tulare County Lemon Cove is a small community that primarily exists for the farmworkers and has nothing. Three Rivers has a couple of restaurants scattered along the highway with a small strip center with market, post office, cleaners and a few offices. One ordinary motel is there. Squaw Valley is a redneck haven with nothing other than a quick stop off to grab some beer and ice or some of that hippie lettuce. Rio Vista would be a nicer place to charge than those locations!

On SR41 about 3 miles south of the San Joaquin River and Madera County there is an upscale outdoor shopping mall with theaters, plenty of places to eat, shop and just people-watch. They have ample available parking behind the theater that hardly gets used, and security is good. "River Park" is the name. It has easy on and off the freeway at the Friant Road/Nees Avenue exit. Or, about 3+ miles from our house is a brand new center about 1/4 mile off SR99 that currently has Target, Old Navy, other stores plus about 4 places to grab a quick bite. This center is still being developed with more stores.

Plotting the Western United States is sure a difficult proposition with the long distances and general dearth of decent population centers to provide some things to do while charging!
I almost never use 140 or 41, so my memories of the amenities on both are hazy and out of date. I think the last time I went in via 41 was in 1997, and I believe I may have been the very last member of the public to enter the park (at ca. 5:00 a.m., 120 and 140 had been closed and I had to divert all the way down 49 from Moccasin to Oakhurst) just before they closed it due to the big flood. I skiied into the backcountry hut I was headed for from Badger Pass, raining the whole way up to 9,000 feet (didn't help that I broke through a rain-softened snowbridge over a creek on the way, and was standing in the water for about 10 minutes until I could get myself out), and my ranger friend and I listened to the flood damage reports from the valley on his radio for the next three days after first bailing out the root cellar.

Going into Sequoia/Kings I'm usually coming in from the east side to access the crest quickly, and have only come in from the west a couple of times, the last time in 2003 IIRR, so I'm happy to defer to those with better/more recent experience of those areas. I mentioned Three Rivers because it's the closest facilities to the turnoff to Mineral King, and I don't remember if they've even got power at the trailhead. ISTR they didn't have power at the Copper Creek Trailhead at the end of 180, and I think you need to be able to do the Fresno/Visalia 180/198 loop with SCs at both ends or somewhere along the route,which is also why I mentioned Squaw Valley. L2s at Grant Grove and some of the other main visitation points in the parks would help. I don't see the NPS allowing charging stations using proprietary standards inside the parks, so I think it will be J1772 and maybe CHAdeMO/CCS there.
 
There is an underpass that connects the Mossdale (N) and Manthey (S) exits off the concurrent stretch of the I5 and the I205/120, so drivers could exit and reenter easily from either directon.
Okay, I see from Google maps why I never noticed it, as you have to backtrack along Mossdale from the Arco station past the off-ramp. I forget, is the feed lot still there just west of the 5/205 junction? I only see a few cattle on the satellite view. If it is still there, when the wind's in the wrong direction that area can be fragrant! I haven't noticed the smell the last few times I've been through, but that depends on the time of day and year.
 
Yeah, since the underpass is North of the Southbound exit and South of the Northbound exit, it's very easy to miss if you're just hitting the Arco.
I drove through in August, but was not paying attention to Manteca SC developments at the time, so no idea about fragrance issue.