Supercharger - National Harbor, MD

[CHRGIT]

It is confirmed. Dig request on Miss Utility.

Ticket No: 17435991
STANDARD
Original Call Date: 07/07/17 12:53 pm
Op / Rev Op: mdvionna / mdvionna
Response Due By: 07/11/17 11:59 pm
Release Time: 07/07/17 01:00 pm
Expiration Date: 07/25/17 23:59 pm

TICKET ACTIONS


CALLER INFORMATION

Company Name: APPOLLO EC
Fax Phone:
Contact Name: JACOB JUDIS
Phone: 970-201-8904
Caller Address: 700 N COLORADO BLVD 172 DENVER,CO 80206
Email Address: [email protected]
Job Site Contact:
Phone:

DIG SITE INFORMATION

Type of Work: INST ELEC SVC
Work Being Done For: TESLA
Explosives: N
Permit: 19967-2017-00
MDOT Permit:
Job Number:

DIG SITE LOCATION

State: MD
County: PRINCE GEORGES
Place: NATIONAL HARBOR
Subdivision:
Address: 165
Street: WATERFRONT ST
Intersecting Street: NATIONAL PLAZA
Extent of Work: LOC: GRASSY AREA LOCATED ON THE NE SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT. AREA IS MARKED WHITE PAINT
Remarks:
Map Coord NW Lat: 38.7871243
Lon: -77.0170190
SE Lat: 38.7844330
Lon: -77.0134625

MEMBERS NOTIFIED

District Company Name Marking Concerns Damage Customer Service Status
JTV02 COMCAST-UTILIQUEST 410-536-0070 877-359-1821 888-739-1379 Not yet responded
PEPCOPG PEPCO/ DCI UTILITY LOCATING 800-634-4385 202-833-7500 202-388-2195 Not yet responded
VPG VERIZON 410-536-0070 888-496-1588 800-837-4966 Not yet responded
WGL06 WASHINGTON GAS-UTILIQUEST 301-210-0355 703-750-1000 703-750-1000 Not yet responded
WSS01 WSSC - PINPOINT UG 301-868-6803 301-206-4002 301-206-9772 Not yet responded

 

[Sonny Daze]

The address is interesting. I'm guessing it will be in the parking lot near the merry-go-round.

 

[Lanny]

NE corner of parking lot.

 

[Solarman004]

I hope this works out, but the location seems questionable. On any given evening or weekend, the traffic congestion is very high. With limited parking and garages that fill to capacity, the threat of ICEing seems very high.
Getting off the Beltway for a quick charge and back on is not straightforward, nor quick.
But, it does fill a nice gap on the 95 corridor.

 

[techmaven]

I hope this works out, but the location seems questionable. On any given evening or weekend, the traffic congestion is very high. With limited parking and garages that fill to capacity, the threat of ICEing seems very high.
Getting off the Beltway for a quick charge and back on is not straightforward, nor quick.
But, it does fill a nice gap on the 95 corridor.

Yeah... I was thinking the same thing. That area needs a slew of destination chargers. Not a Supercharger. I'd still rather have all the approaches to be covered... like Waldorf/301, Germantown/I270, Centreville/I66, Ashburn/267.

 

[gavine]

I hope this works out, but the location seems questionable. On any given evening or weekend, the traffic congestion is very high. With limited parking and garages that fill to capacity, the threat of ICEing seems very high.
Getting off the Beltway for a quick charge and back on is not straightforward, nor quick.
But, it does fill a nice gap on the 95 corridor.

Maybe it's more for publicity?

 

[Sonny Daze]

According to Nation Harbor site that parking lot (and garages) is $3 an hour.

Edit: The address for that lot is 137 National Plaza, but there does not appear to be any grassy area next to a parking lot at the address listed in the request.

Address: 165
Street: WATERFRONT ST
Intersecting Street: NATIONAL PLAZA
Extent of Work: LOC: GRASSY AREA LOCATED ON THE NE SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT. AREA IS MARKED WHITE PAINT

 

[republic]

I hope this works out, but the location seems questionable. On any given evening or weekend, the traffic congestion is very high. With limited parking and garages that fill to capacity, the threat of ICEing seems very high.
Getting off the Beltway for a quick charge and back on is not straightforward, nor quick.
But, it does fill a nice gap on the 95 corridor.

You're right about traffic congestion. That right turn onto Waterfront sometimes takes forever. For off-peak travel, the location is quite easy to get to.

Tesla owners supercharging may be offered a waiver on parking fees, such as occurs at the Savannah airport location.

Yeah... I was thinking the same thing. That area needs a slew of destination chargers. Not a Supercharger. I'd still rather have all the approaches to be covered... like Waldorf/301, Germantown/I270, Centreville/I66, Ashburn/267.

I strongly disagree that the location only needs a destination charger. This spot is relatively easy to access from the Beltway. We'll need numerous such superchargers in urban areas across the country in the near future, both for through-travelers and locals.

 

[Xenoilphobe]

This is a great location with lots to do while you sip electrons

 

[Sonny Daze]

When I first saw National Harbor on the updated 2017 Supercharger map I anticipated it being located at the Tanger Outlets, guess not.

If that lot does fill up often I can see it now. Travelers passing through the area check the app and see that all the stalls are available, great. Get off the Beltway, head to the lot only to realize all the stalls are ICEd. Pay their $3 bucks as they leave and start the search for an open public charger nearby or head to Laurel 30 miles away.

 

[Xenoilphobe]

Only negative is it has dicey characters after midnight. Good news is there's a cop for about every ten people because they built this place smack in the middle of a horrible neighborhood in Prince Georges County. AKA SOUTH SOUTH EAST DC.

Additionally the casino doesn't help as it draws in the poor to be exploited with odds that are illegal in Las Vegas. Maryland casinos allowed to boost their advantage by lowering blackjack payouts

The waterfront is nice and the restaurants are typical tourist trap D.C. For the locals it's still Oxen Hill seedy characters and the waterfront just highlights the wealth disparity.

Glad they put an SC there either way. Just need to check the concealed carry laws for MD. ( pretty sure you can't carry there ) Taser and MACE should be OK

 

[CHRGIT]

Only negative is it has dicey characters after midnight. Good news is there's a cop for about every ten people because they built this place smack in the middle of a horrible neighborhood in Prince Georges County. AKA SOUTH SOUTH EAST DC.

Additionally the casino doesn't help as it draws in the poor to be exploited with odds that are illegal in Las Vegas. Maryland casinos allowed to boost their advantage by lowering blackjack payouts

The waterfront is nice and the restaurants are typical tourist trap D.C. For the locals it's still Oxen Hill seedy characters and the waterfront just highlights the wealth disparity.

Glad they put an SC there either way. Just need to check the concealed carry laws for MD. ( pretty sure you can't carry there ) Taser and MACE should be OK

Funny. Same negative perceptions as Laurel. To my knowledge there have been no murders or other negative activity involving the Superchargers. Not even any ICE'ng in my experience. Now there was a shooting over at Montgomery Mall before Tesla shut down that "Supercharger". More charging options are always better.

 

[Sonny Daze]

Just realized I didn't drop @BlueShift name.

 

[Xenoilphobe]

Last time I was there some dude on a motorcycle was so cheap he tried to run the security carousel in the picture above behind a car and his girlfriend got taken off the MC by the drop gate arm. Since its MD you don't have to wear a helmet and she got scalped from her eye brows back behind her ears. It was scary seeing that as we were knocking back cocktails at the water front. I saw and heard her scream and knew it was serious. We called 911 and Fairfax County fire and rescue responded 15 minutes before the PG Fire and Rescue showed up. Unbelievable since FCFR is across the Potomac River in another state. We aren't going back there for any events anytime soon.

 

[Sonny Daze]

Last time I was there some dude on a motorcycle was so cheap he tried to run the security carousel in the picture above behind a car and his girlfriend got taken off the MC by the drop gate arm. Since its MD you don't have to wear a helmet and she got scalped from her eye brows back behind her ears. It was scary seeing that as we were knocking back cocktails at the water front. I saw and heard her scream and knew it was serious. We called 911 and Fairfax County fire and rescue responded 15 minutes before the PG Fire and Rescue showed up. Unbelievable since FCFR is across the Potomac River in another state. We aren't going back there for any events anytime soon.

Section 21-1306 of the Transportation Article of the MD Code

§21–1306.
(a) This section does not apply to any person riding in an enclosed cab.
(b) An individual may not operate or ride on a motorcycle unless the individual is wearing protective headgear that meets the standards established by the Administrator.
(c) A person may not operate a motorcycle unless:
(1) He is wearing an eye-protective device of a type approved by the Administrator; or
(2) The motorcycle is equipped with a windscreen.
(d) The Administrator:
(1) May approve or disapprove protective headgear and eye-protective devices required by this section;
(2) May adopt and enforce regulations establishing standards and specifications for the approval of protective headgear and eye-protective devices; and
(3) Shall publish lists of all protective headgear and eye-protective devices that he approves, by name and type.
(e) (1) The failure of an individual to wear protective headgear required under subsection (b) of this section may not:
(i) Be considered evidence of negligence;
(ii) Be considered evidence of contributory negligence;
(iii) Limit liability of a party or an insurer; or
(iv) Diminish recovery for damages arising out of the ownership, maintenance, or operation of a motorcycle.
(2) Subject to the provisions of paragraph (3) of this subsection, a party, witness, or counsel may not make reference to protective headgear during a trial of a civil action that involves property damage, personal injury, or death if the damage, injury, or death is not related to the design, manufacture, supplying, or repair of protective headgear.
(3) (i) Nothing contained in this subsection may be construed to prohibit the right of a person to institute a civil action for damages against a dealer, manufacturer, distributor, factory branch, or other appropriate entity or person arising out of an incident that involves protective headgear alleged to be defectively designed, manufactured, or repaired.
(ii) In a civil action described under subparagraph (i) of this paragraph in which 2 or more parties are named as joint tort-feasors, interpleaded as defendants, or impleaded as defendants, and at least 1 of the joint tort-feasors or defendants is not involved in the design, manufacture, supplying, or repair of protective headgear, a court shall order on a motion of any party separate trials to accomplish the ends of justice.

 

[boaterva]

If that lot does fill up often I can see it now. Travelers passing through the area check the app and see that all the stalls are available, great. Get off the Beltway, head to the lot only to realize all the stalls are ICEd. Pay their $3 bucks as they leave and start the search for an open public charger nearby or head to Laurel 30 miles away.

So, stupid question: how does a Supercharger/Tesla know a stall is occupied by an ICE'ing car? I was under the impression it had to be plugged in. No?

 

[Sonny Daze]

So, stupid question: how does a Supercharger/Tesla know a stall is occupied by an ICE'ing car? I was under the impression it had to be plugged in. No?

You're right, Tesla won't know. So if all the stalls are ICEd, the Tesla app will show that all the stalls are available, when they are not.

 

[boaterva]

You're right, Tesla won't know. So if all the stalls are ICEd, the Tesla app will show that all the stalls are available, when they are not.

Which is actually worse.

 

[Solarman004]

The nearby casino multi-story parking garage has a section reserved for EV level 2 charging, clearly marked with ground paint and signs.
Last month when there I saw every EV spot occupied by an ICE vehicle, even though there was available parking elsewhere in the garage. The reason: the EV spots are next to the casino entrance, and used by folks that couldn't be troubled to walk an extra 50 feet.

 

[boaterva]

Glad they put an SC there either way. Just need to check the concealed carry laws for MD. ( pretty sure you can't carry there ) Taser and MACE should be OK

Answring the concealed carry part: I'd even be careful having a firearm in a lockbox. There have been cases of LEOs harassing legal passage through the state for those with firearms in luggage by checking the driver's permit. You can google details. MD is very unfriendly to this.