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Supercharger - Reno, NV - Rancharrah Parkway (24 V3 stalls)

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Mardak

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Found 6 Supercharger V3 Cabinets (1450758-00-H) in a fenced area that would fit 24 stalls:
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Permit BLD23-05985E Commercial Solar & EV Chargers is for 24 EV chargers at 7300 Rancharrah Pkwy, Reno NV near the I580 exit for Neil/Meadowood Mall next to the Kietzke roundabout. The applicant is the same as Sparks Supercharger's, and the contractor is the same as Reno Element Supercharger's.

Potentially these won't be dedicated Tesla spots, but there's currently plenty of parking:

The project is proposing a net reduction of one parking stall and conversion of 24 stalls to dedicated Tesla stalls. "Tesla Vehicle Charging Only" signs are not allowed unless parking calculations can be provided demonstrating that these spaces are not needed to meet the minimum parking requirements of RMC based on Table 4-6.​
 
An update Friday evening April 14, looking East.
More pedestals in, but 8 still missing - probably in shipping containers to left of building in Mardak's last post.
Looks like 4 more on existing row, and 4 in row in foreground.
The 6 supercharger cabinets are still sitting on pallets in parking lot.
Looks like conduit is in, so forming for concrete to mount cabinets, switchgear, etc. being done.
Unclear where transformer goes.
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Saturday evening - not much progress in a week.
Forms removed from the 2 pedestal bases on South of West row of 4,
rebar and forms for a low wall here.
4 more pedestals installed to complete the row of 20 on North side of parking lot.
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Friday afternoon, passed by just as the crew was leaving for the day.
Some progress - 5 of the 6 supercharger cabinets have been set in place,
though doesn't appear they are bolted to the concrete slab yet.

Still wondering about transformer and switchgear. I think the 2 conduits in foreground are the high voltage feed for transformer, so then a bunch of conduits should be just to the right, which would go to switchgear input, which appears to be missing. One of the large groups of conduits must be switchgear out, and the other (to left) must be for 6th supercharger cabinet.

4 pedestals to right still not installed.
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Friday afternoon, passed by just as the crew was leaving for the day.
Some progress - 5 of the 6 supercharger cabinets have been set in place,
though doesn't appear they are bolted to the concrete slab yet.

Still wondering about transformer and switchgear. I think the 2 conduits in foreground are the high voltage feed for transformer, so then a bunch of conduits should be just to the right, which would go to switchgear input, which appears to be missing. One of the large groups of conduits must be switchgear out, and the other (to left) must be for 6th supercharger cabinet.

4 pedestals to right still not installed.
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There aren’t that many feeds exiting the transformer. 1 per phase(3) (sometimes neutral) and ground. And depending on size of wire, those 2 conduits could be enough to get those 4/5 wires to the switchgear.
 
There aren’t that many feeds exiting the transformer. 1 per phase(3) (sometimes neutral) and ground. And depending on size of wire, those 2 conduits could be enough to get those 4/5 wires to the switchgear.

Yes, but there are six V3 cabinets here.
And the input to pad mount transformers in the US is to the left side every time I've seen the cabinet open.

from:
V3 Supercharger power systems architecture

a V3 cabinet AC input is 387 kiloVoltAmps (kVA)
387 kVA / 3 phases = 129 kVA per phase
129 kVA per phase / 277 Vac (voltage phase to neutral) = 465 Amps

per the National Electrical Code table 310.15(B)(16) with 90 deg. C rated conductors, this requires 600 k circular mil (kcmil) in copper,
or 900 kcmil in aluminum (which is so big and stiff, that's probably split into two 500 kcmil per phase).

per NEC table C.10 max number of conductors in Rigid PVC conduit
only 4 600 kcmil conductors fit in a 4" conduit.
With 6 cabinets, there ought to be six 4" conduits for transformer output (with copper), or more with aluminum.

In this picture of the Sparks site (two cabinets, 8 stalls), there are four 4" conduits on the output side of the transformer pad.
teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/posts/7349885/

at 6 x 387 kVA = 2,322 kVA total, this is going to be a 2,500 kVA transformer - 6 feet or thereabouts in each dimension, weighing 6 tons or so.
 
Yes, but there are six V3 cabinets here.
And the input to pad mount transformers in the US is to the left side every time I've seen the cabinet open.

from:
V3 Supercharger power systems architecture

a V3 cabinet AC input is 387 kiloVoltAmps (kVA)
387 kVA / 3 phases = 129 kVA per phase
129 kVA per phase / 277 Vac (voltage phase to neutral) = 465 Amps

per the National Electrical Code table 310.15(B)(16) with 90 deg. C rated conductors, this requires 600 k circular mil (kcmil) in copper,
or 900 kcmil in aluminum (which is so big and stiff, that's probably split into two 500 kcmil per phase).

per NEC table C.10 max number of conductors in Rigid PVC conduit
only 4 600 kcmil conductors fit in a 4" conduit.
With 6 cabinets, there ought to be six 4" conduits for transformer output (with copper), or more with aluminum.

In this picture of the Sparks site (two cabinets, 8 stalls), there are four 4" conduits on the output side of the transformer pad.
teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/posts/7349885/

at 6 x 387 kVA = 2,322 kVA total, this is going to be a 2,500 kVA transformer - 6 feet or thereabouts in each dimension, weighing 6 tons or so.
Transformer turns high voltage into 480A 3P. This gets output as the 3 phases plus neutral to the switchgear. That’s it. They dont run individual wires from the transformer for each cabinet. That’s why there is a switchgear cabinet to route to cabinets.

900kcmil Al is only 480A. 500kcmil is 350A. why use 2x 500 when 300kcmil will get you 255A each. Which is beside the point. Here is what Tesla uses and how they set things up. This is for an 8 stall site but, again, transformer to switchgear doesn’t change number of wires unless the wiring for each phase is split across multiple wires. Also, 4” conduit is capable of 4 1000kcmil wires.

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Substantial progress over last few days: wiring from V3 cabinets to pedestals being done, and perhaps also the DC bus between V3 cabinets.
6th cabinet still not in place, as they need another concrete pour.
But, the switchgear has arrived. Perhaps they had to substitute for the original plan, and that's why the transformer output/switchgear input conduits have not been installed yet.

Switchgear, looks like input cabinet with big busbars and lots of lugs for hooking up multiple wires from transformer.
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(looking North East)
Breaker cabinets, one can see the busbar input, which implies back of cabinets.
Note the two handicap stall pedestals are not installed, will they be special pedestals?
Also note the "smurf tube" (flexible conduit) for the one on the right is embedded in the concrete at a crazy angle.
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(Looking almost due East)
Two more pedestals and a trash can installed.
The wiring for the 6th V3 cabinet has been pulled and wrapped in big black plastic bags, including at least some of the DC bus (view in next picture).
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(looking South East, pedestals aligned East-West)
The first 5 (of 6 total) V3 cabinets have been aligned (maybe anchored to concrete with internal bolts?).
Earlier, they were open and people were wiring them.
Still no transformer output to switchgear input conduits, but now that they have switchgear on site they know what the measurements/placement should be.
I had assumed the transformer door would face West to make for the shortest wiring to the switchgear, but seeing the switchgear cabinets, it looks like all doors will face North.
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Transformer turns high voltage into 480A 3P. This gets output as the 3 phases plus neutral to the switchgear. That’s it. They dont run individual wires from the transformer for each cabinet. That’s why there is a switchgear cabinet to route to cabinets.

900kcmil Al is only 480A. 500kcmil is 350A. why use 2x 500 when 300kcmil will get you 255A each. Which is beside the point. Here is what Tesla uses and how they set things up. This is for an 8 stall site but, again, transformer to switchgear doesn’t change number of wires unless the wiring for each phase is split across multiple wires. Also, 4” conduit is capable of 4 1000kcmil wires.

It's 480V (Volts - electric "pressure") not 480A (Amps - amount of current flow).
really 480 Volts phase to phase, 277 Volts phase to neutral.

I never said or implied wiring was direct from the transformer to the V3 cabinets.

There are SIX (6) V3 supercharger cabinets at this site, each draws at max 465 Amps per phase.
6 x 465 Amps is 2,790 Amps.
And by NEC article 625 Electric Vehicle Charging System, the breaker and wiring from the switchgear to the V3 cabinet must be sized to handle 125% of that, since it's a continuous load.

While the power company can get away with certain things, since they're under the National Electrical Safety Code instead of the NEC, it won't be that much less.

From the NEC table 310.15(B)(16) - which is for not more than 3 current carrying conductors in a raceway -
1000 kcmil (a.k.a. mcm - mil (thousand) circular mils) aluminum is only good for 500 amps using 90 deg. C insulation.
2,790 Amps / 500 Amps = 5.58, so they'd need 6 (six) 1000 kcmil wires per phase and neutral, (3 + 1) x 6 = 24 in total.
You were right in that 4 1000 kcmil COMPACT conductors will fit in 4" schedule 40 PVC (Table C.10(A)).
So there's got to be at least 6 4" conduits from the transformer output to the switchgear input.
And that ignores ground wire(s) as well as assuming the utility gets to ignore the 125% factor.

465 Amps x 1.25 = 581.25 Amps from switchgear to V3 cabinets, which won't fit on 1000 kcmil, but will on pairs of 400 or 500 kcmil Aluminum,
AS LONG AS THEY ARE IN SEPARATE CONDUITS. Otherwise there's a derate to 80% of the ampacity rating (Table 310.15(B)(3)(a)).
And there may be a derate based on expected ambient temperatures.

Anyway, it looks like 12 4" conduits on the output side of the switchgear, plus 6 small conduits of about 1.25" or thereabouts.
Anybody know what those small ones are for?
 
Finally a bit more progress, a long skinny pre-cast vault has been installed from the transformer output to the switchgear input,
and form boards set to pour a pad for switchgear and 6th supercharger cabinet (dobies and rebar on site).

Looking South from Rancharrah Parkway.
I think the metal things inside the vault are the vault covers for between the transformer pad and the switchgear input cabinet.
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Looking East
The transformer pad has also been delivered.

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Monday June 26, 6:40 pm PST - more progress.

tldr: just need to pour pad for switchgear, install switchgear and transformer, wire them up and commission.

The switchgear cabinets are unwrapped, looking up inside the feed into the switchgear, there are double decker lugs for input cables, and the links for connecting the busbars to the other cabinets are hanging down, waiting for installation.
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Looking South, the transformer pad is installed, the vault covers (permanent and temporary) are on, some nice landscaping gravel laid down, and the rebar for the switchgear and 6th supercharger cabinet pad looks ready to go.
If one looks at the (West) end of the brown building, one can see a small extension with a small wooden sign appearing over the 3rd from the foreground charging pedestal.
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This brown building is part of the "Village at Rancharrah" - the redevelopment of the casino magnate Bill Harrah's former estate.
Shopping, Dining & Wellness in Reno | Village at Rancharrah

Seems a little too upscale for my tastes - though I might check out the Nékter juice bar (in the brown building, past the Bone-ito premium pet products and a Pilates place), and if one was up for a couple block walk, there's the Whole Foods Market just the other side of the US 395/I-580 freeway.
I've been wondering about restrooms - there are some restaurants and things in this shopping center, but will they allow EV owners to use the facilities?
Turns out the little extension is a couple of one-holer restrooms. Was unlocked during the day, unknown (no signage with hours, etc.) what late night policy is.
There is a 24 hour ARCO at 6190 S Virginia St across the street from Whole Foods, Google maps says .8 miles and 16 minutes walk, but my thumb on the map scale bar says .6 miles.

Closer look at the brown building extension:
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For those curious about the transformer pad, I looked up the part number on Jensen Precast's site.

It's 85 inches wide x 79 inches deep x 12 inches thick, and weighs a mere 5867.75 lb (2.9 US short tons, 2,660 kg). About 500 pounds more than a Model X.