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Supercharger - San Francisco - 601 Van Ness Ave (permit approved Jul 2019, 12 stalls)

Discussion in 'California Supercharger locations' started by mociaf9, Sep 24, 2019.

  1. mociaf9

    mociaf9 Active Member

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    I searched the SF Department of Building Inspection tracking site for permits applied for by Tesla and found an approved, but not yet issued, building permit--201810032159. It's for "12 EV charging stations and associated switchgear" at Opera Plaza (corner of Van Ness and Turk), in what I assume is the parking garage there. Based on the facts that the application lists Tesla, Inc. as the property lessee, that it has a listed construction cost of $210k, and that Black & Veatch is involved, I'm assuming this is superchargers and not a dozen L2 stations. Based on a quick google/yelp search, the garage is open 24hrs, for sure it will be paid parking (oldish reviews say $6/hr), and it looks like it's valet only.

    What: New 12 stall supercharger of unknown type (but likely Urban) to be built in the parking garage at Opera Plaza.
    Address: 601 Van Ness Ave, San Francisco, CA 94102 (@ Van Ness and Turk)
    GPS (approx.): 37.781296, -122.421394

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  2. ecarfan

    ecarfan Well-Known Member

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    #2 ecarfan, Sep 24, 2019
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    Thanks for starting this thread, and for your detective work! That location is five blocks south of the San Francisco Tesla Showroom and Service Center. I recall that years ago Tesla wanted to install Superchargers there but it never happened. My recollection may be flawed however. I searched the California forum and found the thread about the SF Service Center which was started in March 2016. There is nothing in that thread about Tesla wanting to install Superchargers there. Maybe it was just unfounded speculation.

    It’s very hard to find Supercharger sites in SF. Parking garages are generally the only feasible option, but of course they all have an access charge, they can’t be free.
     
  3. loquitur

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    For a metropolis of 900,000, it is odd that San Francisco proper has minimal Supercharging.
    Apartment dwellers here know that Daly City is the only viable option, but even that 40-stall
    installation is filling up at peak times. Tesla's early philosophy must have been that more folks
    drive *through* San Francisco than visit it or live here.

    Of course there are issues of open space, but places like Chrissy Field and SOMA/Mission
    are possibilities. There must be some special City and County of SF holdup with City Hall,
    or the Department of the Environment, or SFMTA.

    Also, the notion of "urban charging" at 72 kW seems quaint now that V3 at 250 kW is here,
    but the Daly City shopping mall property owners don't mind the extra time to kill for a
    captive audience!

    For an interesting discussion of underserved urban areas check out the Yelp reviews
    of the Santa Monica, CA supercharger (only one for West LA!), especially the one by Nicole J.
    Still and all, it's good to think that traditional "gas stations" here will slowly disappear, or figure
    out a way to profitably convert to electricity.
     
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  4. Oyinko

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    Any new activity for this location?
     
  5. 21five

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    Permitting in San Francisco is one of the gates of hell, so I can understand why it's taking a while to get things sorted! There is a pretty big Volta setup at their HQ, and Cruise are working to install a very large charging setup for their fleet.

    The Presidio is separate from the City, so it was likely much easier to get approval for the Superchargers there. Chrissy Field is managed by National Parks, so might have good potential (Volta have a new-ish presence there). Treasure Island would have been a great option (and Bay Bridge toll free!), but their electricity infrastructure is terrible and won't be resolved until it's redeveloped (in the meantime there is a Chargepoint location). SF Ports would be an interesting possibility, perhaps on the Embarcadero (but I suspect another parking structure in the Pier 39 area will win out).

    I think it's looking likely that San Francisco will end up with no free Supercharging locations; this one will be subject to parking fees at a similar level to the Presidio. I'm disappointed that the Tesla service location on Van Ness didn't work out for Supercharging; they have a great rooftop but it's not suited to large traffic volumes through the workshop.

    (Mods, apologies if I've gone off topic here, feel free to move.)
     
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