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Supercharger - Shelby, MT

Discussion in 'Northwest' started by AlbertaNetZero, Nov 9, 2019.

  1. AlbertaNetZero

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  2. AlbertaNetZero

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    #2 AlbertaNetZero, Nov 9, 2019
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    Based on the Artist Impressions and user photo on Google Maps plus partial address
    in Tesla agreement on City of Shelby website I believe this to be the location:
    Carousel Rest Area of Shelby
     
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    Good find! Now added. While it's highly likely this will be V3, there wasn't anything in the document to confirm, so I've left it blank for now.

    Edit: Just spotted the cabinets on the left :)
     
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    You added it LITERALLY seconds before I was going to. I decided to check what the problem was and then I saw you had added it. This is a V3 Supercharger (see the visual representation), 2 cabinets for 8 stalls compared to 4 cabinets for 8 stalls.
     
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    Do people think there will be any more on this route? I tried plotting a route on ABRP from Fort MacLeod to Shelby using a M3 SR, 95% starting battery charge, -20 deg C temperature and 300 kg extra weight. It claimed it would make it with 5% left.
     
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    Heh, I saw you had liked the original comment but not added it, and figured you were on a phone or tablet where adding a new entry was a pain!
     
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    #7 scottf200, Nov 9, 2019
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    I'm familiar with this area of Montana. You don't want to 'roadtrip' or travel in the cold and windy winters there ... unless you absolutely have to ... let alone take chance with running out of gas, electricity, etc. There is real danger in storms, white out driving conditions, etc.

    Well it looks to only be 132 miles which is similar to a lot of distance between Superchargers.
    It looked OK in a TM3 SR leaving at 95% SOC and 0F w/200 lbs extra weight. I'm not sure those are smart travel plans anyway.
    There aren't any on the Tesla.com findus map.
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    It doesn't looked great from Medicine Hat, AB Tesla Supercharger for that small of car battery, temps, weight, etc. Think spring, summer, fall travels :)

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    You can top up at Lethbridge with a J1772 or Tesla Wall charger available there if you need an extra comfort margin. Milk River will have a J1772 (plus CHAdeMO+CCS) soon as well so you can check your consumption and if you think you are low going either direction you have a backup plan.

    If you want to be comfortable with longer trips with a SR- you may want to get a CHAdeMO adapter, or better yet (hopefully one comes out before you need it) a CCS Combo adapter if Tesla ever releases one. There's an upcoming P2P (Peaks To Prairies) CHAdeMO/CCS Level 3 charger in Milk River that would be between Fort MacLeod and Shelby.

    You may also want this to fill in the gaps between Calgary and Fort MacLeod, as there are P2P Level 3 chargers in Claresholm and Nanton (they also have J1772) and a Petro-Canada L3 charging station at Aldersyde.
     
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    Thanks for the info @scottf200 and @Xelloss99 ! I've been noticing the shorter distances between locations across the TCH and wondered if that may have applied here. As you say, nothing on Tesla's map yet. Perhaps something at Warner in the distant future...
     
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    Very good point. I set the range circle radius to only 50 miles (80 km) to visually show that. If I set it to 125 miles (201 km) like I normally would for this visually there is a LOT of overlap.
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    I don't think the supercharger will be hosted by this business. From the picture it looks like the parking area between Pizza Hut and Carousel Rest Area of Shelby where the supercharger will be built is associated with a small city park. The Street View images are outdated for this area, but you can see the park in photos from 2015. Also, it looks like there is a large electric substation right across the road.
     
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    I thought the artist impression picture within the Shelby city council document was a very good indication of the location.
    here.com satellite map below is a little more current and googles or bings. Other map options: GeoHack - Shelby, Montana

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    The majority of gaps are now smaller. Tesla's been filling gaps on busier routes.
    Density is needed for efficient travel.

    But Shelby is also on US-2 and long-term Tesla will have to cover the US highways, so it has another reason to get one.
     
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    I agree that this is the correct location, but in my understanding this is the parking lot of the small city park to the west and isn't related to Carousel Rest Area of Shelby, which have a different parking area to the south.
     
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    Maybe eventually a new supercharger on the east side of Lethbridge? That would save ~30 miles (50 km), a pretty significantly improvement to the range considerations for both the drive to Shelby and the one to Medicine Hat.
     
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    Actually all three of those parcels surrounded by the purple box (1 blue outlined and 2 yellow right below it) look like are owned (Primary Owner) by 'CITY OF SHELBY'.

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    Poor S60 owners....
     
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    Shelby, MT

    Along Primary Interstates: I-15
    Along US Numbered Highways (<=5mi): US-2
    Along Auxiliary Interstates: None

    I-15:

    From: Great Falls, MT - 84.5 miles
    To: End (Sweet Grass, MT) - 35.6 miles
    Diversion: 1.3 miles
    From: Helena, MT - 168.5 miles

    US-2:
    To: Grand Forks, ND - 744.1 miles

    To: Missoula, MT (I-15, US-89, MT-200, I-90) - 229 miles

    To: Miles City, MT (US-2, MT-223, MT-80, MT-81, US-191, US-87, MT-200, MT-59) - 410.7 miles
    To: Glendive, MT (US-2, MT-13, MT-200S, I-94) - 416.9 miles

    To: Medicine Hat, AB (I-15/AB-4, AB-501, AB-879, AB-3, l) - 166.7 miles
    To: Bassano, AB (I-15/AB-4, AB-36, AB-1) - 182.9 miles
    To: Fort McLeod, AB (I-15/AB-4) - 131.9 miles

    Together with Helena, MT, and Great Falls, MT, Shelby, MT will reduce the maximum Supercharger gap along I-15 to 121.5 miles,
     
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    An important location/route that you left off is through Glacier National Park (GNP). (Something funny going on with the planning for the Kalispell Supercharger.)
    This also gives access to the famous seasonally open Going to the Sun Road -- going to the sun road - Google Search
    I missed the GTSR by about a week this past summer.

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    Going to the Sun Road opening/closing dates: https://www.nps.gov/glac/learn/news/upload/Logan-Pass-Open-Close-Dates_Press-Kit-6-26-2017.pdf
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    From/To milesShelby, MTMilk River, ABWarner, ABFort MacLeod, ABTaber, ABMedcine Hat, AB
    Shelby, MT-49.659.8131.996.3166.7
    Milk River, AB50.2-11.38447.8120.8
    Warner, AB60.310.7-73.537.1110.3
    Fort MacLeod, AB132.183.473.2-62.4135.4
    Taber, AB96.947.337.162.2-73.1
    Medcine Hat, AB166.5118.9110.2135.473.2-
    If only 1 additional Supercharger in the area, then, as long as AB-36 between Warner, AB and Taber, AB is OK in winter, Taber, AB looks like it would be a good compromise.

    Although winter travel between Shelby, MT and Fort MacLeod, AB could require a diversion to Taber, AB, the distances to Taber, AB are all below 100 miles.

    If 2 Superchargers, then also either Milk River, AB or Warner, AB.
     
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