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Yes, Tesla pays for all power used by the Superchargers, always have, always will. In fact, they probably get cheaper rates than what you've quoted (and I believe they are looking heavily into solar in Australia).

The WA Electric Highway is not nationwide and will see a tiny percentage of usage in comparison to Tesla's SC network in Australia.

I'm optimistic about the rate of adoption of EVs once Tesla actually deliver cars into the market. It'll draw attention to the sector as a whole, and will encourage car manufacturers who already sell EV models in Europe/US to bring them to Australia as well, increasing the use of non-Tesla DC Charging stations.
 
Guys just saw that Tesla will be implementing battery swap stations in California from December. Do you think this is something you'd use instead of the Superchargers?

Yes, it's faster than refueling the car, but you have to pay close to $100 (by the time it's converted to AUD, $60-$80 in US), AND have to pick the battery back up on a return trip or face more charges.

I don't think I would use it that much - do you think it's suitable for Australian conditions?

I wouldn't see it being needed in Australia. Possibly one location where you could have a battery swap would be along the Great Ocean Road. Put a swap & charging station at Apollo Bay so you can either have lunch and charge or swap out for a fee and continue driving and pick up the battery on the way home back long the GOR.
 
I wonder if Supercharger option revenue would cover all the costs of rollout & power supply globally? It's possible I guess but with ongoing & ever increasing power costs with increasing sales volumes into the future, I'm not so sure unless the Supercharger option price will rise significantly.

I guess that's why there's SolarCity, at least in the US, and economies of scale when considered as an integral masterplan. It'll be interesting to see if the first Superchargers here will be solar installations which presumably will only supplement available power from either traditional dirty or renewable sources.

I believe the simple fact that there are SCs has caused significantly higher sales so they've paid for themselves many times over.
 
Hi everyone,
I made a post which was blocked since I'm a new user and it contained a URL... even though the URL was a link to another thread on this site!

Anyway.. I notice this thread was last used in October, and though I'd share that I've continued the discussion in the Supercharger forum - thread "General Forum > Charging Standards and Infrastructure > Asia and Australia > Tesla coverage in Australia".

I assume that is the best spot for it but let me know if I've made a mistake!
 
For the record we now have 2 Supercharger locations in Australia, both in Sydney.
There is a 5 stall Supercharger at the Tesla Service Centre at 10 Herbert Street, St Leonard's. I have only used them once on the day of delivery when Adam showed us how they work. Not sure if they are open 24 hours.
There other location is at the Star Casino complex in Darling Harbour that I have used successfully twice already. It's a 4 stall Supercharger.
They are a little tricky to get to but I normally approach on Pyrmont Street, turn right into Jones Bay Road and you will see the main car entrance to The Star and a red Tesla Supercharger sign. Unfortunately the centre island prevents you turning right directly into the entrance so you have to go further along Jones Bay Road to the roundabout and come back up Jones Bay Road in the opposite direction and turn left into The Star.
Next Job is to find the Valet entrance which is at the far end of The Star entrance driveway just before the exits. Press the help button On the yellow intercom box and it dials - someone, presumably security. When they answer say "Tesla for charging" and they will open the boom gate and let you in. Follow the red Tesla Supercharger signs to find the Supercharger and plug in. I recommend Din Tai Fung for dumplings or there are other places for coffee etc but a bit expensive. When finished continue in the same direction as you came in to the end of that lane and you will see another yellow Intercom box and boom gate. Press help and say "Tesla charging completed" and they will open the boom gate and let you out.
 
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Being that a Tesla is outside my price range for the next few years, I thought I'd instead spend my time thinking about where superchargers will appear in Tasmania when the time comes. (I should point out this doesn't mean I'm expecting it anytime soon.. no doubt the Melbourne-Adelaide path, south-west WA, and maybe a bit more of the Qld coast will come first)

I'm going on the assumption that people will charge at home and the superchargers will be mainly for travelling in between the cities and tourism locations. The mainland superchargers are generally 170-190km apart so I'll go with a similar distance.

One thing to consider is that if you are driving more than 200km in Tasmania you are more than likely going somewhere remote.

I've also taken into account the fact that some of Tasmania's minor roads are quite windy and hilly and energy consumption will not be as good there.

Basic coverage would include two superchargers:

* Elizabeth Town, Bass Highway
- Along major highways: 171km to Smithton, 90km to Burnie, 44km to Devonport, 56km to Launceston, 111km to George Town (and other Tamar Valley locations)
- Along more windy roads: 93km to Cradle Mountain, 81km to Great Lake/Miena, 120km to Scottsdale
- Ideal businesses to host. ETC (Elizabeth Town Cafe) or Christmas Hills Raspberry Farm - Pros: both are very popular stops. ETC is open 6am-late. Almost every tourist stops at the Raspberry Farm. Cons: neither are 24 hour.

... approx 187km from...

* Kempton, Midland Highway
- Along major highways: 151km to Launceston, 49km to Hobart, 193km to Freycinet (a few minor roads here - may be risking it)
- Along a mix of major/minor roads: 106km to Geeveston (Huon Valley), 119km to Port Arthur (Tasman Peninsula), 143km to Swansea
- Ideal business to host: Mood Food (24 hour service station) Pros: open 24 hour. Cons: A service station - but locally owned.

What areas are outside the 200km return distance here?
* The west coast (Strahan/Queenstown)
* The northern part of the east coast (St Helens/St Marys)
* The central highlands (Lake St Clair, etc)
* The remote southwest

If Tesla wanted to start with three superchargers, then replacing the Elizabeth Town site with two - Burnie (on the north-west coast) and Perth (just south of Launceston) - would be ideal. This would take care of pretty much all the dead zones in the northern half of the state. Burnie is at the junction to the Murchison Highway (the main highway from the north-west to the west coast), and Perth is conveniently on both the Launceston-Hobart and the Devonport-Hobart route.
The distances between superchargers in this arrangement would be 145km (Burnie-Perth) and 133km (Perth-Kempton)
I'm not sure of a suitable host in Burnie, but it is a city of 20,000 so it shouldn't be hard to find somewhere.
In Perth, the Caltex Perth Roadhouse would be best - it is right on the junction of the highways. Con: It is a service station, is not 24 hour.

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That's excellent information Chuq...hopefully somebody will take notice and maybe not only the bean counters at Tesla but also their counterparts in the Tasmanian government. For the cost of 2 or 3 Superchargers, imagine the ongoing and ever increasing tourism benefits, especially if the network coverage was to reach into the remote wilderness areas and cover the whole state.

Superchargers and destination chargers are a really good way to increase tourism revenues at a very low cost. Nobody needs to think they're picking winners in government...they should be putting the state first and find progressive new ways of building tourism infrastructure and benefit from the revenue. Tasmania needs this kind of thinking.

I know I'd be one of the first to drive to Tasmania in a Tesla...if only it'd be possible one day soon.
 
That's excellent information Chuq...hopefully somebody will take notice and maybe not only the bean counters at Tesla but also their counterparts in the Tasmanian government. For the cost of 2 or 3 Superchargers, imagine the ongoing and ever increasing tourism benefits, especially if the network coverage was to reach into the remote wilderness areas and cover the whole state.

Superchargers and destination chargers are a really good way to increase tourism revenues at a very low cost. Nobody needs to think they're picking winners in government...they should be putting the state first and find progressive new ways of building tourism infrastructure and benefit from the revenue. Tasmania needs this kind of thinking.

I know I'd be one of the first to drive to Tasmania in a Tesla...if only it'd be possible one day soon.

Thanks Whitestar! The Government needs to provide better incentives for EVs down here (don't all states though.. I think it's only ACT which doesn't charge stamp duty). Considering that their fuel (electricity) is generated and distributed by government-owned companies you'd think they'd be jumping at the opportunity! The Superchargers themselves are a deal between Tesla and the landowner, so wouldn't cost the government anything, although perhaps they could offer some sort of land tax discount to any property owner hosting EV charging facilities.

Just a note... on my second map the two red dotted routes at the far south are based on distance from the Kempton supercharger location - in practice anyone travelling this way would be leaving from Hobart which is 50km closer - so assuming they had a full battery these two routes shouldn't be an issue.

There is the obvious marketing benefit to Tesla in that any superchargers here would be fully renewable - powered from hydro or wind power.

You can drive here in one, you just can't fast charge! :-(
 
I'm really keen to go on a driving holiday in Tasmania some time in the next few months in my Model S. Obviously charging is the big issue. Hopefully the mobile charging cable will be available by then, but I'd be really keen to hear from anyone in Tasmania with a HPWC that they could let me connect to in exchange for a suitable slab or bottle of something (or whatever your preferred medium of exchange is). Either post here or PM me. I'm always happy to offer the same in return if any Tasmanians pass through Melbourne, although I live very close to where the superchargers are probably going to be installed so that's a pretty hollow offer.
 
I'm really keen to go on a driving holiday in Tasmania some time in the next few months in my Model S. Obviously charging is the big issue. Hopefully the mobile charging cable will be available by then, but I'd be really keen to hear from anyone in Tasmania with a HPWC that they could let me connect to in exchange for a suitable slab or bottle of something (or whatever your preferred medium of exchange is). Either post here or PM me. I'm always happy to offer the same in return if any Tasmanians pass through Melbourne, although I live very close to where the superchargers are probably going to be installed so that's a pretty hollow offer.

I don't think there have been any cars delivered to Tas owners yet.

Also on topic it sounds negative to say but I don't think we'll see superchargers in Tasmania for many, many years. We're looking at Melb to Syd coverage in 2015 (probably but not guaranteed), then to Brisbane/Gold Coast perhaps by end 2016. Then 2017 I'd guess another one or two (maybe to extend range to more eatery Vic or NSW. Then maybe 2017 or more likely 2018 for the Model III which would then create a bit more demand for Superchargers. Although the Melb to Bris run would probably cover them fine as well. West Australia is more likely to get Superchargers in 2017 IMHO.
 
I'm really keen to go on a driving holiday in Tasmania some time in the next few months in my Model S. Obviously charging is the big issue. Hopefully the mobile charging cable will be available by then, but I'd be really keen to hear from anyone in Tasmania with a HPWC that they could let me connect to in exchange for a suitable slab or bottle of something (or whatever your preferred medium of exchange is). Either post here or PM me. I'm always happy to offer the same in return if any Tasmanians pass through Melbourne, although I live very close to where the superchargers are probably going to be installed so that's a pretty hollow offer.

I'd love to help but sadly I can't offer anything more than a 240V standard household outlet :-/
 
I don't think there have been any cars delivered to Tas owners yet.

No, on this forum there are only 3, all are waiting still.

Also on topic it sounds negative to say but I don't think we'll see superchargers in Tasmania for many, many years. We're looking at Melb to Syd coverage in 2015 (probably but not guaranteed), then to Brisbane/Gold Coast perhaps by end 2016. Then 2017 I'd guess another one or two (maybe to extend range to more eatery Vic or NSW. Then maybe 2017 or more likely 2018 for the Model III which would then create a bit more demand for Superchargers. Although the Melb to Bris run would probably cover them fine as well. West Australia is more likely to get Superchargers in 2017 IMHO.

Given Tesla's track record in the USA, they do start with the more populous routes but then quickly fill in all the gaps. Just in the USA they went from 50 to 152 last year, and from a quick look at their plans they will double this in 2015! (Worldwide: 64 to 335 last year!) I agree they would do Adelaide (and the Melbourne-Adelaide corridor) as well as the Perth and southwest WA area first. But those areas could easily be done by end of 2017. Then it's time for the regional areas.

Speaking of the Melbourne-Adelaide corridor...

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Blue dots - existing (or currently in development)
Greens dots - first route enabled
Purple dots - additional tourist route

I've actually driven both of these routes (a long time ago!) via the Spirit of Tasmania but sadly they were in a gas guzzling Impreza. Maybe one day in a Tesla!
 
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I think though that they should prioritise installation for the utility of existing and soon-to-be owners. For instance if there were 10 Model S owners in WA and 1 in Tassie then WA should happen first. If Tesla owners travel to the ski fields in winter then those areas should be serviced by SCs by winter.
 
I think though that they should prioritise installation for the utility of existing and soon-to-be owners. For instance if there were 10 Model S owners in WA and 1 in Tassie then WA should happen first. If Tesla owners travel to the ski fields in winter then those areas should be serviced by SCs by winter.

Certainly, I expect Tesla have a formula to work this out, including things like how far major population centres are from each other. eg. I don't think they would be expecting big sales in Gundagai but it will get a SC because it is on the Melbourne-Sydney route. On of the first SC's in California was Lake Tahoe, not because it is highly populated, but because people drive there from the coast and (I presume) it was just outside the range.

It looks like there is a SC planned in the Kiama/Bateman's Bay region, not because lots of people live there but because people often drive there from Sydney. I wonder what sort of data Tesla uses? Road traffic figures? Peak holiday season figures? Advice from state tourism boards?

Interestingly, according to List of Australian Confirmed Tesla Orders - Google Sheets there are more Tesla customers in Tas than the ACT on this forum - but Canberra is getting one this year. Of course that is due to its location. Per capita Tas has more than anywhere else except WA!