Wow that is good news. Currently they only have two J1772, if I remember correctly.
I hope Tenaya will let people charge who are not guests, even if they charge money for it that would be okay with me.
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I hope Tenaya will let people charge who are not guests, even if they charge money for it that would be okay with me.
mikeash
Active Member
Ridiculous. I wonder how they would react if you sat down with them and calculated exactly how little money they were saving and how much time they were wasting to save it.
Now, now, it's not $5.
An average driver does 16,500 miles per year (according to some random website I found), at 330wh/mi, that's 5,445kwh. Assuming that a kwh in CA costs $0.17, that's $925/year!
That's big money, in 5 years of ownership you can save $5k (add in cost to install outlet).
I'm not advocating for this, just saying it's not $5.
mikeash
Active Member
I assume $5 refers to a single session, and it's a decent approximation. At my rates, my car costs about $10 to fill to 100%. Figure you might get half a charge out of an opportunistic Supercharger session, and that's $5.
17 cents/kWh is a bit more than I pay, but that's the right ballpark.
17 cents/kWh is a bit more than I pay, but that's the right ballpark.
You guys are underestimating the cost of electricity here in CA. Here are some of my rate options:
And those tier 1 rates aren't enough to charge a car, they are barely enough to operate your house on a daily basis.
Now, if no one is home during the day, you can go on a time of use plan and only charge at night. But not everyone can do that.
So, it is more than $5 to charge
And those tier 1 rates aren't enough to charge a car, they are barely enough to operate your house on a daily basis.
Now, if no one is home during the day, you can go on a time of use plan and only charge at night. But not everyone can do that.
So, it is more than $5 to charge
I wanted to put $0.25 as an average, but last time I did that, someone yelled at me that electricity isn't that expensive in CA.
BertL
Active Member
Someone is almost always going to voice an opinion no matter what one says when you're trying to be expedient and just get the basic point across -- unless you put so many caveats around what you say that your posts become as long as mine generally are.
Many people put up solar panels, or go on the TOU rates, which do let you charge your car cheaper. Most EV owners quickly move to one of those solutions after their first few eye watering power bills.
But for CA Tesla owners, they have an additional option: charge the car for free if they are close to a supercharger. If there was a supercharger in Palmdale, trust me, I would be very tempted to stop by on the way home from work to charge for free vs at home. Especially if it was somewhere I could grab dinner too.
It's not just the money you are saving. You are also spending something - your time.
in (real) NorCal my power was ~$0.25 average last month and we just hit summer pricing + I don't really charge at home ever so I would hit the top tier if I did and be well over $0.30/kWhr. And I added 440 watts of direct plugged solar panels for mid day base loads which drops use to ~20-60 watts on sunny afternoons
Scandalous power prices
Scandalous power prices
One thing that would greatly help free up Superchargers is L2 chargers. If there are plenty of L2 stations at every mall, every work place, every parking lot, people would use those while they park their cars where they go anyways.
even just L1 at workplaces..would keep some PIP's happy that use the L2's
Dukeybootie
Member
If you live in CA, own your house, and have enough cash on hand to purchase solar panels, there is really no reason not to do so. I drive my 85D 100 miles daily for work and have racked up 16,000 miles since 10/2015. My solar panels went online 11/2015 and since then I have accumulated over $500 of credit with the electric company despite my high mileage, thanks to TOU rates. So I don't pay anything for fuel/electricity, aside for a $10 monthly flat fee to be connected to the grid. With the 30% tax credit and a $5000/year gas bill before I got the Tesla, the panels will pay for themselves in short order.
I still make stops at the supercharger near work when I am on call and can't go home, just to get out of the hospital for a bit. It has never been full, but if it gets crowded in the future then I will simply stop going. As others have said, it's not worth the time -- especially when I can charge for essentially free at home anyway. Thought I would add another data point for public discussion.
I still make stops at the supercharger near work when I am on call and can't go home, just to get out of the hospital for a bit. It has never been full, but if it gets crowded in the future then I will simply stop going. As others have said, it's not worth the time -- especially when I can charge for essentially free at home anyway. Thought I would add another data point for public discussion.
siucity
Button Pusher
Actually for us SoCal people, the $0.17 is only the Energy cost at the lowest tiers. The delivery cost can easily double that price. So i would estimate at least $0.30/KWh if you really want to be accurate. Also average annual mileage for petrol cars is 12,000 miles. I would venture the 16,500 miles per year average is for TESLA driver! LOL.
Base on your KWh numbers, it's closer to $1600 a year.
And for that $925/year, you will spend many hours sitting at a Supercharger that you would not spend if you charged at home. You are basically valuing your time at a few dollars an hour. Now if you are retired and are happy to sit for hour and save a few bucks then I suppose that makes sense, until you consider that the Superchargers are for long distance travel and you are blocking long distance travelers from charging and...we've had this conversation before in multiple threads.
Southern California Edison has a dedicated EV option at only $0.11 / kwhr - you get a separate account for the EV charger in your garage. That's the route I'm going.
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