Which rate is that? If you're talking baseline, that's generally only worth about 12kWh per day, after which it escalates rapidly.
20c is less than half of my PG&E NorCal peak rate.
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Supercharging Costs
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20c is less than half of my PG&E NorCal peak rate.
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http://www.pge.com/tariffs/tm2/pdf/ELEC_SCHEDS_EV.pdf
It's non-tiered and time of use, off peak (ie night) is down to ~12 cents. The peak/off peak may be higher than your current ones (it was the case for me with E-6), but net-net, it was positive.
Ok. I'm on the same plan. You're comparing overnight rates to all day rates at the SC, but I get why you were doing that.
SpiceWare
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Most likely they need the money to ramp up for the higher than expected MS, MX, and M3 demand over the past few years.
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We're both right...if one needed an "emergency" charge during peak time, then the SC would be cheaper.
I think places like the middle Australia are the targets for this.
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mspohr
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There are no Model 3 cars. The car is still in development. Every Tesla policy about them is still in development.
Patience, grasshopper.
Yeah, canopies in busy, sunny locations will probably provide more benefit in the form of shade than they will in the form of generated energy. That is, returning to a charged car that was in the shade will require less AC to pre-cool the cabin. I believe Barstow's canopy is only providing this benefit right now, as it hadn't appeared to be connected the last time I saw it. Nobody in the Barstow thread has refuted that in the last year, either.
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By the way,
Why does Tesla say 400 kWh is 1000 miles ?
It only makes sense to me if the allowance is before charging losses, meaning about 300 kWh to the battery.
Why does Tesla say 400 kWh is 1000 miles ?
It only makes sense to me if the allowance is before charging losses, meaning about 300 kWh to the battery.
I think that's exactly why. They will likely charge on delivered energy, which is inclusive of charging losses. There are also plenty of 350-400Wh/mi drivers out there.
Think of it as a supermarket loss leader that you have spend at least $35,000 to get. Or the three years of free oil changes some dealers give you when you buy a car.
To date Tesla has generated good free publicity worth tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars with Superchargers. Since none of its competitors seems to want to do something similar, the new plan will allow them to continue to reap that benefit at almost no cost.
iwannam3
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One of the reasons that states prohibit re-sale of electricity is to prevent landlords from sub-metering and charging tenants exorbitant rates for power. Each apartment must have it's own power company meter or the monthly rent include utilities.
JeffK
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Charging losses are nowhere near that and we don't know if the car or the supercharger is going to do the calculation of how much energy you are getting (I'd imagine it happens on the car side so after losses but who knows).
They are underestimating for people who drive 70-80 mph on the highway. If you're on roads that are 55mph and you're actually going 55mph then you should get more range.
SageBrush
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I considered that as an answer, but Tesla has been pretty consistent through the years in using EPA metrics in calculating range.
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You want a link to know that the Tesla Model 3 and everything surrounding it such as infrastructure, the manufacturing, the battery manufacturing, crash testing, govt doc, and policies surrounding the Tesla Model 3 are a work in progress?
I'll point you to Google.
You can search for such things as "Tesla Model 3"
You can even search for any Tesla presentations, events, and investor calls pertaining to Model 3.
While the initial "design" may be "pencils down", I would say the car, and everything pertaining to it, is still very much in development. If during development an issue is found, then the design might even change slightly.
ModelNforNerd
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I think what you see is what you get from this policy.
Exxon doesn't say "hey, you in the Kia, you get a discount on gas compared to the guy in the Benz."
My guess is that the prices won't be any different for the Model 3 than what was just announced.
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