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With subsequent messaging, the payment program, etc..., Tesla's intent is pretty clear. I'm not going down that road again who want to ignore the collateral supporting it all along
@sorka made it sound as if he hadn't seen any messaging around usage as early as 2012. Instead it appears he wants to split hairs. He's welcome to it.
This was on the front page of Tesla's website for a while. Sure if you clicked through it talked about road trips, but the initial impression you get with this kind of advertising is it can be used for anything. Tesla Motors | Premium Electric Vehicles
I think there is a good argument Tesla was sending mixed messages about the superchargers in the past to sell cars because it suited them. Now it doesn't, so they have changed the messaging.
I have to wonder if the idle fee was imposed when the supercharger network was launched if the locals charging problem would have ever gotten as bad as it got. In most cases it was the "Locals leaving their cars for a long time" problem. I do understand in CA there were some legitimate overcrowding situations though.
Then again, there was no way the system could sustain itself indefinitely. Idle fee or no, when 500,000 Model 3's get added to the road each year it would have crashed at some point.
Then again, there was no way the system could sustain itself indefinitely. Idle fee or no, when 500,000 Model 3's get added to the road each year it would have crashed at some point.
For sure the multi-hour offenders contribute, but I think the local charging problem is more about 'free' and less about how long some people left their cars plugged in.
It's really a moot point, as there are only 100,000 or so tesla owners that will ever know what it was like to have free supercharging and no idle fees. In 10 years when there are millions of teslas on the road...
jchag
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jchag
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I have been ripped all over TMC for admitting that I use a local SC to charge my vehicle. Even though the 10 Stall Fresno CA Supercharger is nearly always empty. I have personally seen a max of six vehicles once. The average number of vehicles charging is usually 2. Now that are vehicles show the numbers in the stalls this can be verified. Many anti Local SC critics miss the fact that I spend Lots of $$$ in the shops and restaurants in and around Superchargers. In the 2 years prior to owning a Tesla I estimate I spent about $00 in the shops near the SC. In the last six months since owning a Tesla I have spent over $1000. This behavior should help spread the desire of shop owners and resturants to provide real estate for SCing or even pay a little for the electricity. I believe local chargers are helping the network grow.
Yes I have traveled in California and have had to wait to charge, yea it sucks.
Yes I have traveled in California and have had to wait to charge, yea it sucks.
RogerHScott
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As someone who occasionally does the same, under similar conditions for similar reasons, let me say: "You monster, you! How can you
sleep at night?"
stopcrazypp
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There's been so much discussion about this already. For superchargers, roadtrips are an explicit use-case Tesla has advertised from the start (no one disputes this use case). Occasional local use is also allowed (as described in the letter subject of this thread). Another one they started introducing around the 2015 time frame is for apartment dwellers (and similar) which have no access to home charging. However, frequent local use by those with home charging is explicitly frowned upon (again as subject of this thread).
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It's the gift that keeps on giving. Like herpes.
Either you're abusing your local supercharger or you misunderstand the resistance to local supercharging.
Its not a binary thing; don't conflate the very small [but vocal] hard-liner opinions with the general TMC sentiment toward local charging. Very much speaking for others as this point, supercharging locally is okay as long as its done in moderation and with a mindset cognizant of others. Frequent local supercharging--especially when one has a home charging solution--is where [most] people on TMC direct their frustration.
RogerHScott
Active Member
This sort of "softness" betrays you as a traitor to the anti-local-supercharging cause! I'd say start packing for the reeducation camp, 'cept
you're not allowed to bring anything. The most treacherous enemies are the so-called allies who don't share our true dedication to the cause!
jchag
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My post stated that The most vehicles I have ever seen charging is 6 out of 10. Usually its no more than 2. Maybe I charge Once a week. I spend money at the stores and restaurants in and around the supercharger.
jchag
Member
This sort of "softness" betrays you as a traitor to the anti-local-supercharging cause! I'd say start packing for the reeducation camp, 'cept
you're not allowed to bring anything. The most treacherous enemies are the so-called allies who don't share our true dedication to the cause!
Funny
I'm not sure what you're after. The majority of folks on TMC would consider weekly local supercharging to be on the borderline of supercharger abuse, at a minimum. I'm sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.
I have been one of the martinets railing against SpC abuse; I said my piece very early in this thread and moved on without further contributing to the rancor in this thread.
So....am reappearing with an update:
I now am stridently, cantankerously and as blatantly as I can be, abusing the SpC conveniently near our winter home, as often as I can.
My reason is as follows: back in OCTOBER those of us with 6-50 charging adaptors were told they were being recalled as being deficient, and that replacement 6-50s "shortly" would be made available. Our garage being set up with a 6-50 receptacle, that of course is how we have been charging our Teslas. Unfortunately, both the adapter AND our wall receptacle have been showing distortion from excessive heat, and on occasion the dreaded red light comes on....
And so, we are using the SpC to charge and I have told our SvC of same. They weary of telling us that no further word has been forthcoming from HQ. A pretty irritating situation: for cry-i, just how hard can it be to re-manufacture that modest adaptor? How many are in consistent use?
So: until Tesla steps up and does the right thing, I'll continue to be a SpC abuser. And no one will be happier than I when that no longer is the case. I'm really not looking forward to having burned up two Teslas and a fine house.
So....am reappearing with an update:
I now am stridently, cantankerously and as blatantly as I can be, abusing the SpC conveniently near our winter home, as often as I can.
My reason is as follows: back in OCTOBER those of us with 6-50 charging adaptors were told they were being recalled as being deficient, and that replacement 6-50s "shortly" would be made available. Our garage being set up with a 6-50 receptacle, that of course is how we have been charging our Teslas. Unfortunately, both the adapter AND our wall receptacle have been showing distortion from excessive heat, and on occasion the dreaded red light comes on....
And so, we are using the SpC to charge and I have told our SvC of same. They weary of telling us that no further word has been forthcoming from HQ. A pretty irritating situation: for cry-i, just how hard can it be to re-manufacture that modest adaptor? How many are in consistent use?
So: until Tesla steps up and does the right thing, I'll continue to be a SpC abuser. And no one will be happier than I when that no longer is the case. I'm really not looking forward to having burned up two Teslas and a fine house.
So, you've decided that the best way to punish Tesla is to punish Tesla owners?
Seriously? That's your take away?
P.S. Not everyone is in CA. The rest of us are lucky to see another Tesla at a supercharger.
