Supercharging Etiquette (or a complete lack thereof)

[snellenr]

I'm not sure what you're saying here, are you trying to scare or intimidate me with this passive-aggressive attitude ("I will probably go non-verbal by that point")? What does that mean? You refuse to call me directly and instead use other passive means to get my attention? All I have to say to that is: PLEASE DO. Use any means you want (as long as it's legal) -- hit the charger wand button a thousand times if you wish. Take my cell phone number and post it on Craigslist or Reddit for "Free Beer, Free Porn, Free Money and Free Sex!". Use any means you feel necessary to get my attention if you can't just call me for whatever reason. Because if my car is actually occupying the last available charging stall and preventing others to charge, I'd sure want to be notified of that any way possible. But I also know that that WILL NEVER HAPPEN, because I would NEVER leave my car occupying a stall where there is even the most remote chance that could happen. So if you need to be all passive-aggressive about it if it makes you feel better, then by all means do. But it will never be my car there.

Fine, whatever...

Since I referenced it in my post (original post is Supercharger - Columbia, MO):

 

[CuriousG]

Since I referenced it in my post (from Supercharger - Columbia, MO):

This one requires a stenciled penis to be spray painted on their doors and hood with Plasti-Dip.

 

[roblab]

My question was, if they can't afford to get a charger put in near home or work, how can they afford to fix the paint job on their car after I key the door? That is purely a mental exercise, not a threat. All the people near me charge at home, I guess.

Yay! Three dislikes. And although I know it was and is politically incorrect to say such things out loud, I still think it's good that these drivers somehow get the message that SOME people think they ought to work a little harder getting charging set up at home, rather than saying , "I paid >$100,000 for this car and I expect free charging." That, too, is politically incorrect, and will cause bad feelings. And it will only get worse.

Some people should not own a Tesla. People who can't (or WON'T) charge anywhere but at a supercharger are in that group.

 

[kort677]

Yay! Three dislikes. And although I know it was and is politically incorrect to say such things out loud, I still think it's good that these drivers somehow get the message that SOME people think they ought to work a little harder getting charging set up at home, rather than saying , "I paid >$100,000 for this car and I expect free charging." That, too, is politically incorrect, and will cause bad feelings. And it will only get worse.

Some people should not own a Tesla. People who can't (or WON'T) charge anywhere but at a supercharger are in that group.

not everyone lives the same way that you do, they live in places where they don't have the ability to add a charger. some people don't have their own parking space and some even have to park on the streets. do these things make owing a tesla challenging to own? yes, does it preclude them from owning a tesla? I wouldn't think so.

 

[Bangor Bob]

In the absence of full autonomy and charger snakes, where the cars park themselves away from the charger when finished...

Two small changes come to mind:

1. Cars unlock the charge handle when a supercharging session is complete.
2. Signs are updated to allow towing of non-charging vehicles.

That should change behavior fairly rapidly...

For real %($*%&^*$'s,
3. One hour after charging stops the car notifies the owner it'll be calling for itself to be towed in an hour, and 2 hours after charging stops it actually does it. The list of phone numbers needed is not a very big database to maintain.

 

[Chopr147]

Yay! Three dislikes. And although I know it was and is politically incorrect to say such things out loud, I still think it's good that these drivers somehow get the message that SOME people think they ought to work a little harder getting charging set up at home, rather than saying , "I paid >$100,000 for this car and I expect free charging." That, too, is politically incorrect, and will cause bad feelings. And it will only get worse.

Some people should not own a Tesla. People who can't (or WON'T) charge anywhere but at a supercharger are in that group.

Maybe some posters missed your "mental exercise" disclaimer Hey, I have killed many people in my years as a "mental exercise"

 

[jbcarioca]

not everyone lives the same way that you do, they live in places where they don't have the ability to add a charger. some people don't have their own parking space and some even have to park on the streets. do these things make owing a tesla challenging to own? yes, does it preclude them from owning a tesla? I wouldn't think so.

Two years ago, when I ordered my Tesla, I had no charger. I still did not when I took delivery. The tesla Sales staff advised me not to buy it. I did anyway. For three months I used public chargers, principally a CHAdeMO offered by a nearby community. Eventually I managed to get my condo board to allow me to install a charger and that necessity ended.

I hope other people who have public options available buy EV's, not just Tesla, and use those chargers until they manage to install their own chargers. Some, especially renters may never have their own. I personally know a handful of EV owners who have no home chargers precisely because they are renters with no ability to have charging installed, most of them have purchased their cars used and have modest financial resources. The more such people who buy EV's the better the public infrastructure will be. BTW, I met all these people at local public charging stations. The buyers of used Tesla sometimes are in this category too.

So, the people who argue that one should have home charging prior to buying an EV seem to be those who cannot imagine impediments to doing so.

 

[mhan00]

Apparently there was a "Idle Time Charge" placeholder in the code that was briefly up on MyTesla. This would solve a lot of issues. It also certainly shows that Tesla knows that this is an issue. As others have noted, these aren't parking spots. They're charging spots, and if you aren't charging you shouldn't be there.

I also don't understand why people are so dismissive of these "busy SC" mostly being in CA. Not only is CA a glimpse of the future for others if Tesla is successful, even if the affected SCs remain a CA only issue (which it won't), it's still a huge issue for Tesla because CA is, by far, the largest market for Tesla. I'm glad to see Tesla is in the process of taking steps to address the issue.

 

[scaesare]

I thought of this thread when reading about that discovery as well...

 

[scottf200]

Send the plates to Tesla. Supercharger blocking is a serious issue that needs to be addressed.
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Send VIN numbers. Take picture for email.

 

[EVie'sDad]

In the absence of full autonomy and charger snakes, where the cars park themselves away from the charger when finished...

Two small changes come to mind:

1. Cars unlock the charge handle when a supercharging session is complete.
2. Signs are updated to allow towing of non-charging vehicles.

That should change behavior fairly rapidly...

For real %($*%&^*$'s,
3. One hour after charging stops the car notifies the owner it'll be calling for itself to be towed in an hour, and 2 hours after charging stops it actually does it. The list of phone numbers needed is not a very big database to maintain.

or perhaps a red light siren that begins wailing 15 minute after the charging completes, so nearby drivers might be made aware someone is occupying a space blocking others from charging. Public shaming will change their mindset.

 

[pdxgibby]

I do a fair bit of international travel. One of my trips was to Cairo.

Cairo (population 7+ million) has some really big problems to deal with, for example:

1) Political corruption
2) Trying to establish a democracy in light of 1)
3) Basic services infrastructure

One observation I've made is that parking is virtually impossible to find. So much so, that the standard operating procedure when you have to park is to triple and even quadruple park. Yes, 4 rows of parallel parked cars on the side of each road.

But how would someone retrieve their car from the inner-most row of cars? It's simple...everyone leaves their car in neutral when they leave.

Egyptians are super friendly and kind people. If you need to get your car out, a bunch of people will start pushing cars back and forth to open up enough space to get your car out for you. It becomes a real-life puzzle game. I've seen it happen with my own eyes.

Seeing the warmth and kindness demonstrated by people in other countries always reminds me of how childish, petty and entitled people can be here in the US.

Leaving your car at a supercharger when you aren't using it?
Cutting others off instead of waiting for your turn?
Pushing the button on a supercharger to give preference to themselves?

I periodically have to remind myself that in the absence of REAL problems, we tend to treat our small problems as if they were REAL ones. I'm just as guilty as the next guy of doing this...but something I have to remember from time to time.

 

[bro1999]

Zombie thread!!

Really guy, really?

 

[Garlan Garner]

Zombie thread!!

Really guy, really?

That's hilarious. Autonomous driving come on and help a person out.

 

[nwdiver]

Zombie thread!!

Really guy, really?

When you gotta go you gotta go....

 

[TaoJones]

When you gotta go you gotta go....

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What a pisser this thread has become, yep yep.

Can't help but think that as more states get a clue, they will follow Washington (State)'s and Oregon's lead. The former has enabled $125 tickets for not charging in an EV charging space (inclusive of EVs), and the latter has great examples of effective signage and policies on private property.

Here's one example of the aforementioned examples: Fred Meier stores along coastal Oregon which have deployed municipal No Parking signs at their Aerovironment Chademo/L2 installations. Their managers don't screw around, either - in 2 cases at 2 separate stores, they had noooo problem calling for a tow if the offending (ICEing) drivers didn't answer an in-store page. Very impressive.

All of that said, That Model X parking job above is just troubling. Are there not helpful handy-dandy LINES in the rear camera view?

Oy vey es mir.

 

[Chopr147]

When you gotta go you gotta go....

Ahhhh, maybe that explains the terrible parking job