bonnie
I play a nice person on twitter.
Really great news for those of you with the 60kw battery already selected. It sounds like the option will be $2K for those that have later reservation spots in line.
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bonnie
I play a nice person on twitter.
And my first reaction was just the opposite of yours, discoducky ... "Nice of them to split the difference for those either configured or close to having to configure." Elon did say something about a fee for the 60kwh battery option - this seems far more reasonable than pay/use. To me, anyway.
This is really inconsistent with what Elon said on Monday:
If supercharger hardware is installed, you can use the supercharger network for free. That only seems to leave room for charging for hardware, not software, configuration and calibration. And until today, they were letting people order the 60kWh pack with supercharge hardware included.
If supercharger hardware is installed, you can use the supercharger network for free. That only seems to leave room for charging for hardware, not software, configuration and calibration. And until today, they were letting people order the 60kWh pack with supercharge hardware included.
bonnie
I play a nice person on twitter.
No, I'm not - I'm getting a Sig Model X. That's why I was careful to word it as to what my personal reaction was when I heard. I'm obviously not in the middle of it, but the website did say price was 'tbd', Elon did mention a cost, etc. So my assumption all along has been that there would be a cost.
Sousaphil
P2,595
Yeah, no kidding. If you consider the price delta is now $8,000 for the extra 15kw.
Gotta crunch some numbers this weekend!
Just got an email with an offer to add supercharging to my 60kWh Model-S for $1000 (half of what it will cost 60kWh cars for people who have not configured) which I happily chose to do.
You then get supercharging for free for the life of the car.
After this work is complete, you will then have unlimited free access to the network for the lifetime of your Model S (this even extends to all future owners of the car).
They also gave me the option of upgrading to the 85kWh pack (which I did not choose to do).
You then get supercharging for free for the life of the car.
After this work is complete, you will then have unlimited free access to the network for the lifetime of your Model S (this even extends to all future owners of the car).
They also gave me the option of upgrading to the 85kWh pack (which I did not choose to do).
smorgasbord
Active Member
Well, I think you need to compare against the value of your time. Assuming they limit to a 1C charge rate, SC charging is about 3X faster than the HPC. So, a 30 minute SC charge would take 90 minutes at an HPC - and that's if you got the twin chargers (another $1000). At $50/hour, then it'll take 20 charges to make up the $1000 difference, or 40 charges to make up the $2000 difference. How many road trips are you going to take in your Model S over its lifetime?
Given a choice between $2000 for SC charging and $1000 for twin chargers, the answer is easy: SC charging.
And then they changed it to "included" for a while before changing it to $2000 today.
bonnie
I play a nice person on twitter.
They did. But I also noticed at the time that it said the hardware was included - and nothing about the software. My assumption at the time was that there would still be a charge to activate the software.
Actually what is the charge rate in terms of Miles of range per Hour of Charging (MPHc) for cars with the 60kWh battery. If it's actually charging at 1C then the MPHc should be about 70% of that of the 85 kWh cars. That's something to consider if 60kWh customers are planning to rely on the supercharger network for roadtrips.
Has Tesla made any 60kWh cars yet? Did they ever announce if they're using fewer cells or different cells or both?
Has Tesla made any 60kWh cars yet? Did they ever announce if they're using fewer cells or different cells or both?
Yeah, at the time i finalized, the design studio said hardware and software included. Of course my official documentation says "supercharger hardware" at no cost, but theres no mention of software on that at all.
Frankly, i think its a no brainer to get the SC access with the 60 kwh battery, esp since its technically half price for me, but it is tough to have to add another 1k to the bottom line, esp since i already had a "final" price.
Also not a huge fanof the 10 days to decide, but i do understand. I really wish there was a clearer map of the east coast charger plan. Virginia down to charlotte, for example, doesnt seem that clear cut.
gjunky
Trifecta: Solar and both cars are EVs
more nickel-and-dime stuff. I don't think it is right to compare the cost of the difference in charging time. The twin-chargers are meant to charge faster at home. They usually don't help too much on the road (I know it can, just saying there are not a lot of 10+Kw chargers).
Supercharging is for those occasions where you want to cover a longer distance. I assume for most people this is rare. This means you are comparing the cost of installing the supercharger against the cost of driving that distance with an ICE car. As mentioned above, that is a lot of gas.
I love the fact that the chargers will be free. I am curious to see if they will stay free for the GENIII but charging current 60KwH reservation holders for this I think is a poor choice.
Splitting the cost between hardware and software/testing seems to be a convenient way to split the expense but I doubt it has anything to do with the real cost.
To be clear: This is not affecting me as I was going to order a 40KwH car but decided to cancel and wait for the GENIII. It is just my opinion.
Supercharging is for those occasions where you want to cover a longer distance. I assume for most people this is rare. This means you are comparing the cost of installing the supercharger against the cost of driving that distance with an ICE car. As mentioned above, that is a lot of gas.
I love the fact that the chargers will be free. I am curious to see if they will stay free for the GENIII but charging current 60KwH reservation holders for this I think is a poor choice.
Splitting the cost between hardware and software/testing seems to be a convenient way to split the expense but I doubt it has anything to do with the real cost.
To be clear: This is not affecting me as I was going to order a 40KwH car but decided to cancel and wait for the GENIII. It is just my opinion.
kevincwelch
Active Member
What Tesla is doing to 60 kWh buyers is a reasonable compromise.
We've known for a long time that the design website stated that supercharging for 60 kWh models was "TBD." So, it should have been reasonable to assume at the time that either the 60 kWh buyers were not going to ever have the capacity or that they might have it included (fee or no fee). It was wishful thinking that it would have been included without a fee. Since you've already signed your agreements, Tesla could have informed you that you needed to pay an optional $2000 for the supercharging or could have thrown a below-the-belt punch (as they did with the service plan) and informed you that it was installed and that you owe them $2000 more.
So, I think installing the hardware and offering the software to you for $1000 is a nice gesture.
Most of you who signed an agreement didn't know if supercharging was ever going to be an option; now it is. It's an option. Tesla isn't requiring that you buy it, unlike the service plan.
I wish it was offered to me at $1000 instead of $2000; I don't know if I will get it since I am unlikely to use it. Nevertheless, I don't know if I initially decline it if it will be able to be retrofitted.
As for the 10 day notice, I really don't know why they need to know this in terms of software installation; this seems more like an infomercial: Call in the next 10 minutes and we'll double your set of steak knives!
We've known for a long time that the design website stated that supercharging for 60 kWh models was "TBD." So, it should have been reasonable to assume at the time that either the 60 kWh buyers were not going to ever have the capacity or that they might have it included (fee or no fee). It was wishful thinking that it would have been included without a fee. Since you've already signed your agreements, Tesla could have informed you that you needed to pay an optional $2000 for the supercharging or could have thrown a below-the-belt punch (as they did with the service plan) and informed you that it was installed and that you owe them $2000 more.
So, I think installing the hardware and offering the software to you for $1000 is a nice gesture.
Most of you who signed an agreement didn't know if supercharging was ever going to be an option; now it is. It's an option. Tesla isn't requiring that you buy it, unlike the service plan.
I wish it was offered to me at $1000 instead of $2000; I don't know if I will get it since I am unlikely to use it. Nevertheless, I don't know if I initially decline it if it will be able to be retrofitted.
As for the 10 day notice, I really don't know why they need to know this in terms of software installation; this seems more like an infomercial: Call in the next 10 minutes and we'll double your set of steak knives!
CapitalistOppressor
Active Member
The price for the 85kWh battery has been glitchy, with an additional $2k charge listed for some people. Folks shouldn't assume that the MS60 is the only configuration about to see a bit of price inflation as Tesla gets a better handle on their production issues and real cost structure.
85 kWh pack now $22k?
85 kWh pack now $22k?
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