So I have a 2019 Model 3 Performance, and...
I plan on keeping the 20" factory rims
I want similar ride height to what I have now (I can't really go lower in my driveway)
I want a stiffer, more go-cart like ride. Not crazy, but a bit better than the ride now...
What is my best bang for buck? Sway bars? Better suspension? I am in So CA and want it installed if that matters.
Hands down get the coilovers. Don't even think about the sway bars. If you poll the Forum I think you'd get MPP 3 or 4 to 1
Coilovers first and sway bars only if you are trying fine tune it for over/understeer. Most coilovers have higher than OE spring rates so you will end up stiffer anyway.
Only because the lack of options available.
Once again you are missing the point. The reason MPP gets the lion share of attention and purchasing on this forum doesn't have to do with the "lack of options" as you mistakenly argue, it has to do with the excellence of both their kits and their service.Okay, if you would like to call xzy, bc or yellow really coilovers.
Once again you are missing the point. The reason MPP gets the lion share of attention and purchasing on this forum doesn't have to do with the "lack of options" as you mistakenly argue, it has to do with the excellence of both their kits and their service.
KW based V-series dampers, leave much to be desired.
you mean In your humble opinion
With sticky tires harder springs and matching valves would benefit. Let's see if Ohlins TTX 4way will improve it.I have to agree with this. I originally purchased MCS 1WNR Coilovers which are highly regarded in the enthusiastic community as being one of the fastest dampers money can buy - despite the cost being nearly double the MPP Sports. Surprisingly, when I put a set of MPP Comforts on my wife's Model 3 I found that corner speeds were basically the same on the same tires. After chatting with Sasha, it seems the MCS would offer improvements over the MPP components on a car running slicks and aero. However, there are almost none of us running slicks and aero on a Model 3. Additionally, the MCS have a significant amount of NVH and require much more maintenance and setup, not to mention being harsh on the street. In effect, I can't imagine any setup better than MPP's options, unless of course you were building a dedicated race car, which, again, I've seen only a single individual do thus far.
I also ran several different dampers on the E46 platform - Moton, AST, Intrax. The KW V2's rode much better than any of the others on the street, and it was difficult to find much of a difference on the track.
I would also like to know what they leave to be desired for your, or really anyone else's application.
I have eibach sways and love them. Biggest improvement is that the car is more stable at high speed. Marginally stiffer ride but doesn't bother me or my wife (she's more sensitive to ride quality). To each his own.
Let's see if Ohlins TTX 4way will improve it.
You have had three people on The Forum challenge your assertion and ask you for data about why you believe that KW dampers open quotes leave much to be desired close quotes. We have to assume that since you have elected not to respond to those three inquiries and have not provided any specifics that you have no idea what you're talking about.Customer service is excellent. I agree.
KW based V-series dampers, leave much to be desired.
On TTX the 4way is just a 10% cost of changing valves from 2 way. We will be tuning it on the track with Ohlins engineer and there is nothing difficult nowadays about high speed suspension logs.Unless you’re running pots on all the struts, can capture the data at a very high sample rate, and have a suitable onboard ECU, or are extremely experienced at setting up fast bump/rebound (I’ve yet to meet an AM driver whom fully understands setting up 2 way dampers for optimum chassis control/balance) then 4 way dampers will gain you nothing.
Very expensive high quality dampers will give diminishing returns unless fully utilised by a set-up specific to the car and driver preference.
On TTX the 4way is just a 10% cost of changing valves from 2 way. We will be tuning it on the track with Ohlins engineer and there is nothing difficult nowadays about high speed suspension logs.
Yes, I plan to have suspension sampling.So you will have data logging and high frequency sampling of the suspension, yes?
No, something isn’t as difficult if you are an expert in it, with plenty of experience, but unless you are, how do you know how difficult it is? How many suspension histograms have you analysed to enable you to set-up suspension?
Is this car going to be competing, and are you aiming for fractions of a second off lap times?
Are you going to have an Ohlins engineer with the car to set it up, when you use the car at different race tracks?
Yes, I plan to have suspension sampling.
I said it's not difficult to have sampling.
I said I won't be setting up the suspension myself.
This car is going to be competing, but not on a pro level as I've said.
I am not aiming for fractions of seconds, I'm aiming to find the limit of good balance setup.
I'm not going to have Ohlins engineer with me on other tracks - I'm going to learn in the process how to do it myself.
I can't figure out what is your problem, so I'm going to just save time and ignore you for the rest of the life of this forum.