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I hope that someone in the swiss french area come out on this thread !! But I'm glad that we have so many EV cars fans in whole Switzerland...

Do you guys plan to install C32 plugs in your homes for charging, and do you plan to install PV to produce your energy ?

regards
 
Hi mdol,

actually yes - we plan to build a plus energy house a bit outside of Basel in the next year with PV, rain water tank , no heating system just a modern chimney/fireplace :) and the Model S just fits perfectly into the whole picture.

No more burning oil - we need it anyway for many many other things...

for charging I am not sure what the best solution will be... I will have to evaluate once the Model S is available here and all country specific details are known.

cheers
 
Hoi zäme, Patrick writing from Cham ZG

Model S Signature Performance #268
Model X #35

I have been to Geneva, too. Read Chregu's comments, but personally I really haven't got an issue. It was a beta, and this means that it basically was a jigsaw puzzle put together by hand (es Zämesetzli). Go to the Audi Museum in Ingolstadt and look at prorotyes there. They look just like that.

In this regard I count on Elon and the boys to know what a 100'000 buck car should look and feel like. Surely, they appreciate the finer things in life, too ;-)

What is much more important to me is that I am really done for good with the hydrocarbon mine & burn story. And after being Audi, BMW, Mercedes and Jaguar customers for 15 years now, My wife and I find it very annoying to see that especially German car manufacturers just keep ignoring the climate issue. There is just no progress there anymore and the public discussion is driven by people claiming that EV's just have a very long exhaust pipe ending at the carbon power plants. That, however is not the case here. It is easy to get the power needed to charge from renewable resources. 100% of it.

Tesla is going the way and I support that, knowing that a new technology will most likely not roll out completely free of problems. That would be normal and I will deal with it as best I can, providing feedback and contributing to improvements.

Brgds, Patrick
 
Hi everyone,

I think its great that we are keeping this CH forum in English because it invites everybody in CH to participate and also all of the TMC community. Great stuff. Lets keep it this way.

Our family is also in the process of building a carbon neutral and energy positive house in the area around Lausanne. Have a roadster and an X on order which will both be charged by mostly locally produced solar energy. Looking very much forward to the day when the project is finished and we have moved in.........!
 
Hy there
@mdol yes: i have a PV array on top of the garage since 2009 (delivery of my Roadster). It's about 30 m2 and produces the double in electricity i need to drive the Roadster year around (+- 10'000km @ 170Wh/km = 1700kWh, wall to wheel) production of the array 3'600kWh/Y. State of the art arrays will produce up to 50% ore on the same surface In my daily live as an architect, we are promoting zero and/or energy plus houses so that (EV/PV) was only a logical step towards a sustainable, fun future.
BTW i'm often in lovely Romandie so count me half for that part of CH ; ))
 
Yes you're right Mitrovic, Morat is bilingue !

The solution you propose, consist of injecting in the grid ? How many square meter do you have here ?

Yes i'm selling to the grid and buying ecological electricity. This solar car port has 16 module with 175 W. Now we use modules with 240 W each. The Solar Car Port on the site produces electricity for about 12000 Km every year for my roadster.

The big advantage of our product is that it is simple but sophisticated, so the product is much cheaper then other solutions.
 
With the Mennekes Adapter by Mr. Betterman we can now load at the M-way stations with 32A!

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Hi, having also a reservation for a model S, I ask myself if it is not urgent to wait before buying an electric car for such a high price! I think technology and choice will be soon much wider... see next for example:

Audi R8 e-tron 2013
L’Audi R8 e-tron s’est littéralement frayé un chemin depuis le concept et le modèle que le constructeur a présenté au Salon de Detroit. Ce modèle électrique utilise en fait la même plateforme que la voiture de compétition utilisée au Mans. Comme la R8 de base est un véhicule à moteur central, on a utilisé la même configuration et remplacé le moteur à essence par des batteries; c’était l’endroit idéal pour placer les lourdes batteries qui, en l’occurrence font 550 kilos, sans affecter l’équilibre de la voiture dont la distribution du poids est de 42 % à l’avant et de 58 % à l’arrière.

Motorisation

L’Audi R8 e-tron reçoit pas moins de quatre moteurs électriques, deux sur le train avant et deux sur le train arrière, ce qui en fait une voiture à quatre roues motrices. Chaque moteur entraîne une roue par l’entremise d’un petit arbre de transmission. Au total, ces quatre moteurs développent une puissance de 313 chevaux. Cependant, et c’est là le gros avantage de l’e-tron, ces quatre moteur produisent ensemble un couple extraordinaire de 3 319 livres-pieds.

En conditions normales, les deux moteurs avant génèrent 30 % de la motricité de la voiture, tandis que les deux moteurs arrière en produisent 70 %. Ainsi motorisée et malgré ses 1 600 kilos, batteries comprises, l’Audi R8 e-tron boucle le 0 à 100 km/h en moins de 5 secondes. Les batteries de l’Audi e-tron sont au lithium-ion et refroidies par liquide. Pour les recharger, on aura besoin d’une prise de courant à 230 volts; si elles sont complètement à plat, il faudra prévoir entre six et huit heures. Complètement rechargées, elles assurent une autonomie de 250 kilomètres à la voiture. Précisons enfin que les batteries se rechargent également au freinage.

Une nouvelle technologie numérique

Au cours des dernières années, Audi a travaillé à la conception d’un nouveau rétroviseur numérique. Comme c’est souvent le cas pour ce genre de technologie, c’est d’abord en compétition que le fabricant allemand l’a expérimentée. Et c’est la fameuse R18 qui a couru au 24 Heures du Mans et qui a pris le trois premières positions qui en a fait les frais en raison d’une surface vitrée très petite à l’arrière. L’expérience a été un succès; à un tel point que le constructeur allemand a décidé de commercialiser ce rétroviseur dans la R8 e-tron.

Dans les faits, ce rétroviseur consiste en un écran AMOLED (Active-Matrix Organic Light-Emitting Diode) de 7,7 pouces du type qu’on retrouve sur certains téléphones intelligents de dernière génération. Installé en position centrale à la place du rétroviseur standard, ce rétroviseur utilise une caméra arrière qui envoie une image de ce qui se passe derrière. On doit toutefois mettre un bémol sur l’introduction de cette technologie qui ne respecte pas, pour le moment, la réglementation américaine qui requiert une surface qui réfléchit l’image. Cette règle sera-t-elle abrogée ? La R8 e-tron fera-t-elle son apparition aux États-Unis avec un rétroviseur standard en attendant qu’on abroge la loi ? C’est à suivre !

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looks great:love:
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Neue Nahrung für meine Zweifel :frown:

http://www.teslamotors.com/service

Wenn ich dies lese verliere ich immer mehr die Begeisterung dafür... 600$ werden wohl ca 600 CHF oder sogar mehr sein, JÄHRLICH! Und wo soll hier der Vorteil gegenüber einem herkömmlichen Verbrenner sein? Ich dachte immer Elektroautos seien viel weniger wartungsintensiv.

Man vergleiche mit anderen "Halbpremium"-Hersteller, z.B. Volvo: Volvo Service
oder AUDI AUDI swiss service package

Mein jetztiges Auto muss alle 2 Jahre oder 30'000 in den Service, dieser kam mich auf knapp 500.- zu stehen...

Was meint ihr so dazu? Meines Erachtens muss sich da TESLA was anderes für Europ überlegen, so wird das nix :-/
 
Eine herbe Enttäuschung. Gegenüber dem Roadster habe ich mit deutlich niedrigeren Kosten gerechnet.

Was bitte macht der Techniker mehrere Stunden vor Ort? Sichtkontrollen? :cursing:
Alle elektrischen Tests kann das Fahrzeug selbst ausführen. Meinetwegen muss Tesla mit dem Besitzer dafür eine Zeit ausmachen, weil das Fahrzeug mehrere Stunden für den Batterietest braucht, und das kann dann irgendwann nachts über Fernsteuerung erfolgen. Danach weiß der Techniker mit einiger Sicherheit, was kaputt ist und ob das Fahrzeug vor Ort gewartet werden kann oder in die Werkstatt muss.

Nun stellt sich die Frage, ob dieser Service Pflicht ist, um die Garantie einzuhalten und/oder um Software-Updates zu bekommen. Drittanbieter für diese Dienstleistung gibt es (noch) keine.

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What a big disappointment. I expected lower maintenance fee, compared to Roadster.

So what does the Ranger do for several hours? visual checks? :cursing:
The car can perform all electrical tests on its own. Be it that Tesla must seek agreement with the owner when to schedule this, in case the battery test takes several hours. The test can be initiated remotely during night. In most cases the ranger then knows if a visit is sufficient or if the car must be taken care of in a service point.

Next question is now, are these service plans mandatory to sustain the warranty and/or to obtain software updates? As there are no 3rd party suppliers for this service yet.
 
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Hmm if you get the brake pads / windshield wipers plus some other (small) parts replaced as well as free software upgrades (navigation) it might be just about the same amount of cash spend at the end of the day. Plus the time that you wont need to spend going to a garage & organize replacement car (additional costs) due to the ranger model. Its just the cash that you have to spend upfront... however I honestly have as well a better feeling if a Tesla Techie is checking my car who knows 100% the Model S ... I had some bad experience with Audi/BMW garages that ended up in a higher costs and me being disappointed with the level of service. I give Tesla a try - they cant be worse than that :D
 
Wahrscheinlich bin ich zu wenig naiv oder einfach kein Tesla-Jünger...

Ich habe mich GeorgeB Antwort in diesem Thread durchgelesen und muss sagen, meine Enttäuschung ist nicht kleiner geworden, im Gegenteil...

Zwei Dinge kommen mir in den Sinn:
- Die Werksgarantie wurde für die ersten 4 Jahre sozusagen über Bord gekippt. Schliesslich muss ich bezahlen, damit diese "Garantie" greift. Die Begriffe Unterhalt/Wartund und Garantie verschmelzen dabei

- Ums mal politisch halbwegs korrekt auszudrücken: die Amis haben ein komisches Verständnis von Autowartung. Ich les da von 3 bis 4 Ölwechsel pro Jahr, tausende Dollar von Servicekosten etc. Ein modernes Auto muss doch nicht jedes Jahr die Brems- oder Kühlflüssigkeit austauschen!?!

Ich bleib dabei: Sollte Tesla dieselbe Strategie in Europa weiterziehen, so wird dies ausserhalb eines kleinen Käuferkreises kein Erfolg werden. Schade eigentlich...
 
I was suprised as well at the beginning, but think about what the maintenance costs are for 10 years owning a car in this class?

@ Tesla its clear 6000$ or (lets assume 6000 CHF in our case)

any other car company for a car in the same region: 6er GC BMW, CLS merc, A7 Audi ? most likely the same if not more.... as soon as the 3-4 years service free time is over you pay the bill, this is big business in the car industry - maintenance :)

....just to mention that for example the BMW M3 halogen lamp costs 640CHF, back mirror 360CHF ...(friend hat to replace them recently for his 6 years old M3 with some other maintenance it was a 1200 CHF bill)

at the end I think it will cost you about the same after 10 years but at Tesla you will get the free software updates and enhancements (new features) to the car as well as the free loaner car wich is great. But the key argument for me for this plan is that I will never ever worry about the state of my car any more! Tesla takes care about it. I have clear fix costs and no surprises.

In my opinion I think that if you hold the model S long enough this service plan makes sense - on the other hand if you keep the car for 4 years and then you switch to the next one, I agree, it does not make sense and other companies do offer a better deal / service free time for a brandnew car.

As I plan to keep it for at least 8-10years I am ok with it.
 
Tesla bietet den Serviceplan fuer 4(!) Jahre an bzw. 50k Meilen. Die Zeit danach ist "TBD". Also kann man schlecht auf 10 Jahre hochrechnen. Zumal es ja auch Km / Meilen abhaengig ist.

Extrem enntaeuschend.