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Taxes & Fees

Discussion in 'Model S' started by drbradfo, Apr 18, 2012.

  1. drbradfo

    drbradfo Member

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    #1 drbradfo, Apr 18, 2012
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    (mod note: posts moved from It's Time to Build Your Model S)


    Correct. Oregon has no sales tax. Title fee : $77. Registration fee : $172 (good for 4 years). plates : $24 (basic oregon tree plates). plus $20-100 for special plates (opt).
     
  2. smorgasbord

    smorgasbord Active Member

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    Can I rent a room in Oregon for a couple months? :biggrin:


    Just kidding - I know that wouldn't work.
     
  3. markb1

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    I've heard you don't need to live in Oregon to register your car there. But if you want to legally avoid California use tax, you'll have to keep the car out of California for 12 months.
     
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    Hey, we pay over 9% income tax and around 8% sales tax, so we take it both ways here in California. And our state is somehow broke. On the flip side, my step-brother lives in Vancouver, Washington. No income tax in Washington, and he's right next door to Portland, so he can avoid sales tax on a lot of his purchases.
     
  5. Tessier

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    LMAO No sales tax and No income tax, Welcome to NH! CA you have it all wrong, just saying.
     
  6. ckessel

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    #6 ckessel, Apr 19, 2012
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    The gas he uses to drive to Portland is going to negate most any sales tax savings unless he's buying really big ticket items or literally lives on the other side of the I5 or I205 bridge.

    I'm always amused by state tax burden complaints. Every state needs roughly X dollars per person to make things go (roads, schools, police, etc). Some states are higher or lower than the average of X, but they aren't going to dramatically differ and they're going to get it from you one way or the other. Sales tax, income tax, registration fees, gas tax surcharge, etc.
     
  7. NigelM

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    Ditto. I believe in small government and not wasting taxpayers money, but I am also always amazed at how many proud citizens always try to cheat their country/state out of taxes.

    (Runs for cover...)
     
  8. AnOutsider

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    I agree (though I'm guilty at times), but I think it might be time to split this discussion into another thread re: taxes and fees.
     
  9. brianman

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    Loaded word. I'll leave it at that for now.
     
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    We'll there's tax avoidance which makes sense and there's tax evasion which is illegal. Is "tax evasion" a better description than "cheating"? I don't know, I'll change my post and apologize if anyone's offended but I didn't direct it at anyone specifically.

    Where's Bonnie when we need her?
     
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    @NigelM - If you were referring to tax evasion, then cheat's a fine word. I thought you were (directly or indirectly) referring to legal choices such as legitimate tax deductions.
     
  12. bonnie

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    I was at the Sacramento Earth Day event all day ... talking to politicians, school kids, Occupy Sacramento people ... sunburned, tired ... and thrilled to see you all got this back on track! Thanks, guys :).
     
  13. neroden

    neroden Happy Model S Owner

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    Most states have uniform property taxes which raise a lot of money. California... has Prop 13.
     
  14. gg_got_a_tesla

    gg_got_a_tesla Model S: VIN P65513, Model 3 Res Holder

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    Yes, Prop 13 IMO is the reason for the constant budget mess and the fallout from that that Calif. finds itself in year after year. I'd take lower income and sales taxes in conjunction with uniform property taxes.
     
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    #15 mulder1231, Apr 29, 2012
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    [Mod note: I've moved this post from So.. what base + options combo are you going to order?]


    Does anyone know if CA sales tax is calculated over the price before or after federal tax credit?

    I read through this whole tread but couldn't find this answered. It would make a $650 or so difference.
     
  16. markb1

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    I'm pretty sure it's before the tax credit, so you're going to have to pay that extra $650.
     
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    Yep, unless Obama get his way: Obama 2012 Budget Proposes Higher Tax Credit For Plug-In Cars - The Washington Post

    The way I read it, if they changed it from a credit to a rebate, the sales tax would be reduced. (Unless you're lucky to enough to live in one of those states that removed the sales tax for EVs... forget which ones they are.)
     
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    On the Leaf it was before if you were a buyer; after if you were a lessee.
     
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    Only because your state doesn't pay it's bills. Ask anyone at Dartmouth Hitchcock Medical Center about that. And if you own a small business you learn pretty quick that tax rates are pretty high in NH (8.5%). And don't overlook the retirees who often pay more in NH Interest and Dividends tax than they would income tax living in another state. Just sayin'.
     

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