Taycan Takedown

[FlatSix911]

Here is the final nail in the coffin... Teslas charge faster than Taycan, due to Porsche's low efficiency - Electrek

Because of Porsche’s low efficiency, it turns out that almost every Tesla adds more range per minute at peak charge rate than the Taycan does – and some by a significant margin. We learned this week that the Porsche Taycan has a 69mpge rating from the EPA. This is lower than any electric car currently on sale in the US.

The Model 3, in contrast, has the highest efficiency of any car ever rated by the EPA. In fact, at 141mpge, the 2020 Model 3 SR+ is more than twice as efficient as the Taycan Turbo. The Model 3 Long Range scores 130mpge according to the EPA. The Model S is no slouch either, with up to 111 mpge. What do all these numbers mean? Let’s look at the approximate miles added per ten minutes at peak rate:

• Porsche Taycan Turbo, 490Wh/mi, 250kW/350kW charge rate: ~85 miles in ten minutes of charging (119 after promised update)
• Model 3 SR+, 240Wh/mi, 170kW: ~118 miles in ten minutes
• Model 3 LR, 260Wh/mi, 250kW: ~160 miles in ten minutes
• Model S LR, 300Wh/mi, 200kW: ~111 miles in ten minutes

 

[Spidy]

Teslatrek as always. Comparing it with a Model3 when it is heavier than a Model S...

 

[mongo]

Teslatrek as always. Comparing it with a Model3 when it is heavier than a Model S...

They call out the S MPGe:

The Model 3 Long Range scores 130mpge according to the EPA. The Model S is no slouch either, with up to 111 mpge.

Scale any of the calcs by 130/111 to get relative change times (17% longer for S).

 

[Lozza12]

Teslatrek as always. Comparing it with a Model3 when it is heavier than a Model S...

Which is embarrassing in itself....

 

[Spidy]

Oops, looks like I missed the other numbers.

First Porsche Taycan Gets Delivered In The U.S.

Greg Wyler on Twitter

 

[Electroman]

That is 260 miles on 100% battery, driving hard in sub zero weather - which translates to more than 300 miles on nice warm day driving normally. That is more than what Porsche claims. Too good to be true, or perhaps it is true.

 

[willow_hiller]

That is 260 miles on 100% battery, driving hard in sub zero weather - which translates to more than 300 miles on nice warm day driving normally. That is more than what Porsche claims. Too good to be true, or perhaps it is true.

Weather aside, I think average speed is probably the most important variable we're missing. He could have been driving "hard" at 55 MPH.

 

[AWDtsla]

Weather aside, I think average speed is probably the most important variable we're missing. He could have been driving "hard" at 55 MPH.

Driving "hard" has never been effective at reducing range in Model S on public roads. No matter what your right foot makes the trip meter do in the short term, the overall consumption is dominated by average air speed and temperature, followed by road conditions and elevation changes. I learned this while being blamed for my P90D's awful consumption numbers on right here on TMC.

I don't know why anyone would expect Porsche's EPA number to be "conservative". The number was a disaster. We're just going to see some confirmation bias flowing until somebody like Bjorn does a fair comparison.

 

[axhoaxho]

Drove 105 miles with 40% left was not much to brag about in today's standard.

 

[Curious George]

Interesting that Taycan's real range appears higher than EPA range. Is Taycan using a heat pump to use battery heat in the cabin?
In this video , Matt Farah says it can transfer heat from anywhere to anywhere.That should help the range in winter.

He also makes a point which is valid. If one can charge fast, range is less important. He says he charged "almost dead to almost full in about 18 minutes" on the EA super fast chargers.

 

[Cirrus MS100D]

Matt Farah says he charged "almost dead to almost full in about 18 minutes" on the EA super fast chargers.

He’s lying.

 

[FlatSix911]

Interesting that Taycan's real range appears higher than EPA range. Is Taycan using a heat pump to use battery heat in the cabin?
In this video , Matt Farah says it can transfer heat from anywhere to anywhere.That should help the range in winter.

He also makes a point which is valid. If one can charge fast, range is less important. He says he charged "almost dead to almost full in about 18 minutes" on the EA super fast chargers.

It may be worthwhile to re-read this article... Teslas charge faster than Taycan, due to Porsche's low efficiency - Electrek

Because of Porsche’s low efficiency, it turns out that almost every Tesla adds more range per minute at peak charge rate than the Taycan does – and some by a significant margin. We learned this week that the Porsche Taycan has a 69mpge rating from the EPA. This is lower than any electric car currently on sale in the US. The Model 3, in contrast, has the highest efficiency of any car ever rated by the EPA. In fact, at 141mpge, the 2020 Model 3 SR+ is more than twice as efficient as the Taycan Turbo. The Model 3 Long Range scores 130mpge according to the EPA. The Model S is no slouch either, with up to 111 mpge. What do all these numbers mean? Let’s look at the approximate miles added per ten minutes at peak rate:

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• Porsche Taycan Turbo, 490Wh/mi, 250kW/350kW charge rate: ~85 miles in ten minutes of charging (119 after promised update)
• Model 3 SR+, 240Wh/mi, 170kW: ~118 miles in ten minutes
• Model 3 LR, 260Wh/mi, 250kW: ~160 miles in ten minutes
• Model S LR, 300Wh/mi, 200kW: ~111 miles in ten minutes

 

[Just a Reader]

It may be worthwhile to re-read this article... Teslas charge faster than Taycan, due to Porsche's low efficiency - Electrek

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At "at peak charge". How long does the Taycan maintain the peak charge rate and how long do the Teslas? Seriously, all this carping by Tesla fans about the Taycan does not look very confident. As consumers we should be glad to have as much choice as possible. As with ICE cars not everyone is part of a type's intended target group.

 

[Curious George]

This is the test drive video by Matt Farah.

People test driving the Taycan are coming out very positive. Looks like it is a driver's car.
Porsche will not have trouble finding rich dudes who will buy the Turbo/Turbo S.

Taycan & Mission-E - Rennlist - Porsche Discussion Forums

 

[AWDtsla]

This is the test drive video by Matt Farah.

People test driving the Taycan are coming out very positive. Looks like it is a driver's car.
Porsche will not have trouble finding rich dudes who will buy the Turbo/Turbo S.

Taycan & Mission-E - Rennlist - Porsche Discussion Forums

Matt hates Tesla, loves Porsche. Pretty much the definition of confirmation bias.

 

[FlatSix911]

Interesting video from my local Porsche Club of America chapter … a look at the unique technology from Porsche.
PCA Spotlight: We go underneath and inside the Porsche Taycan at Tech Tactics West | Porsche Club of America

PCA Spotlight: We go underneath and inside the Porsche Taycan at Tech Tactics West

In late November, PCA hosted Tech Tactics West at Porsche’s dealer technician training facility in Eastvale, CA and fortunately there were plenty of Porsche Taycans on hand as well as Lukas Kraemer, Manager of Complete Vehicle, Taycan, to give a presentation to attendees. Kraemer went a step further and allowed us to film a tour of components underneath the EV, as well as inside a car without its interior.

In the video above, you’ll learn about the three-chamber air suspension, battery tech — including how the cooling system works — and more.

 

[FlatSix911]

Interesting video … Why The Porsche Taycan's Disappointing Efficiency Matters

 

[MP3Mike]

Here are the conditions that must be in place to get their advertised fast charging rate:

To achieve the optimum value of the specified DC charging time (DC = direct current) for a charge status increase from 5 to
80%, a CCS (combined charging system) fast-charging pedestal with > 270kW and > 850V is required, as well as a battery temperature of 86°–95°F. The charging status when commencing charging must not exceed 5%.

So you have to arrive at a 350kW charger with under a 5% SOC and with the battery in a 9°F temperature window.

 

[Eno Deb]

So you have to arrive at a 350kW charger with under a 5% SOC and with the battery in a 9°F temperature window.

Kind of similar to Tesla's v3 250kW rate, isn't it?

 

[MP3Mike]

Kind of similar to Tesla's v3 250kW rate, isn't it?

I don't think that Tesla's conditions are as restrictive, but we really don't know since they don't spell them out for us. (So +1 for Porsche for sharing the details.)