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Te Koop Model S Performance

Discussion in 'Belgium and the Netherlands' started by ronz, Sep 17, 2014.

  1. ronz

    ronz Member

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    Wegens beëindigen van eigen zaak en minimaal 6 maanden per jaar verblijf in het buitenland
    moet ik helaas mijn Model S Performance te koop aanbieden.
    Geleverd door service center Amsterdam op 05-12-2013 en nu met bijna 30.00 probleemloze kilometers verder
    op zoek naar een nieuwe eigenaar die nog niet de grin heeft.
    Dus als jullie iemand kennen die op zoek is naar dit en 0 % bijtelling tot 01-01-2019, geen wegenbelasting
    en gratis tanken aan de Superchargers laat die mij een pm sturen en diegene kan morgen ook met een:biggrin: verder !
    Prijs bedraagt € 82.500,-- exclusief de btw.
    zie voor opties e.d de bestellijst en factuur.
     
  2. ebullio

    ebullio Active Member

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    10000 afschrijving (ex btw) is volgens mij minder dan Tesla op zijn loaners rekent, maar ben even hun formule kwijt.
     
  3. DjiM

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    Ik vermoed dat deze met meer respect behandeld zal zijn dan de testwagens & loaners van Tesla zelf :)
     
  4. pvh

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    in 2014 heb je nog steeds MIA voordeel van 18.000 euro (tot 50.000, en daarvan 36%) als je een Tesla S koopt. Die €18.000 mag je dan van de winst aftrekken en betaal je géén winstbelasting over. Bij een eenmanszaak al snel €9360 netto voordeel. BV €3600 - €4500.

    Dus met een eenmanszaak koop je voor de zelfde netto prijs een nieuwe. BV is ook niet echt super interessant. denk dat €75.000 ex BTW meer realistisch zal zijn. Als je aan een particulier verkoopt zou ik hem dan 73966,94 ex maken (is €89500 in de BTW)
     
  5. AudubonB

    AudubonB Mild-mannered Moderator Lord Vetinari*

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    En engels....sorry!
    In Netherlands, or Europe, does a used-vehicle sale also generate VAT? That is what I seem to be reading in this thread's posts.
    For example, if pvh were to sell to me a Model S for 74000 Euro, I also would have to pay VAT to bring my total cost to 89500????????

    Thanks in advance for the Dutch language lesson:rolleyes: -
     
  6. LuckyLuke

    LuckyLuke Model S P85DL

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    Yes but since you probably have a company yourself you can deduct that VAT again. 99% of Tesla's here are company owned.

    @ ronz: mooie bak, succes met de verkoop en sterkte met afkicken ;)
     
  7. pvh

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    #7 pvh, Sep 17, 2014
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    We have a dual system in the Netherlands called BTW/Marge. Don't know about other countries. Basics; if you have a car bought as a business, and have deducted the VAT you will have to sell your car and charge VAT, and pay back the ammount of received VAT. (also if you sell to a private person!) As a private owner, no VAT since a private person cannot handle VAT wit the tax office. So, also not good as a business to buy from a person, since they will ask a price based on the inclusing VAT price, but you cannot deduct VAT since it is not applied.......

    and no, I will not sell my Model S ;)......... so bad example:tongue:
     
  8. AudubonB

    AudubonB Mild-mannered Moderator Lord Vetinari*

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    Dank uw wel.

    </Dutch language + finance lesson>

    I do, of course, have a business, but it's neither domiciled in Europe nor (at present) doing any business there, so I don't think tax authorities would be amused at my not wanting to pay VAT....

    Hey pvh: what about 74001 Euros? Is that of interest?:biggrin: j/k
     
  9. basvk

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    Just in addition to pvh's post: if the stated price is 'exclusief BTW' you need to add 21% VAT to the price you pay to the owner. Usually cars are advertised with prices including VAT. It will be mentioned in the advertisement if a car is eligible for VAT (if it is not indicated then it is probably not eligible). The VAT should be mentioned on the invoice you receive from the owner. You need to check whether the owner is indeed allowed to add VAT on the invoice, otherwise you won't be able to redeem it (if you are eligible for VAT return).
    If you are a from a non-EU country and export the car, you can redeem paid VAT from the Dutch state when the car leaves the country (I don't know the exact details and paperwork involved though).

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    If you have a business, usually the seller states 0% VAT on the invoice and you pay no VAT to the seller. There is paperwork involved in where you have to prove you are a business, temporary registrations and export papers and the like. I don't know the details, but there are plenty of companies specialised in these kind of services that take care of it all for you. Because of the high tax rates for new cars in this country, the bruto prices are lower than in the rest of Europe, and many people buy cars in the Netherlands for that reason.
     
  10. ebullio

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    And to make it more complicated: you can also get some BPM ( other kind of tax on cars ) back when you export a car, but on the S the BPM is zero...
     

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