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Tesla application for an electricity generation licence
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MrBadger
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Doesn't look to be for a product. Looks quite exciting - I know they are not to everyone's taste, but I love wind turbines. Wonder what it is though? My guess, battery storage for an offshore wind farm.
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MrBadger
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You sure on that?
"Great Britain, the territorial sea adjacent to Great Britain or in a Renewable Energy Zone."
Battery farms are considered generation (at least in the US, not sure if GB is the same).
MrBadger
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No, but I have a hunch based on their tie up with Vestas eg Vestas confirms Tesla joint project and Tesla's involvement in offshore battery solutions. Of course, it could just be onshore wind turbines, but our onshore ones are very small in comparison.
I heard a rumour that this would also give them more weight it pushing through wayleaves for superchargers (generators have more clout) - whether they can leverage the license if they get it and somehow construct a story about superchargers being part of their distribution then whop knows. Or might just be wishhful thinking on the person who started the rumour.
With this sort of license, they can provide generation in bulk from conventional power stations, balancing services, and yes, wind farms.
As already pointed out though, a JV with a wind turbine supplier looks likely. With the current state of renewable penetration into the UK system, balancing and stability control has become a huge issue. Grid has even taking to paying wind generators to shut down so they can bring on conventional generation to stabilise the system frequency.
Large scale battery installations with their near instantaneous ability to absorb and output MW for short periods can help smooth the effects of varying wind and its lack of inertia, providing frequency response service to stabilise the grid.
Tesla has already proven this concept works in South Australia.
Elon Musk Tesla Battery Farm Australia | Tesla Battery
Not sure that generators have any particular clout with the DNO’s when it comes to installing things like Superchargers though.
As already pointed out though, a JV with a wind turbine supplier looks likely. With the current state of renewable penetration into the UK system, balancing and stability control has become a huge issue. Grid has even taking to paying wind generators to shut down so they can bring on conventional generation to stabilise the system frequency.
Large scale battery installations with their near instantaneous ability to absorb and output MW for short periods can help smooth the effects of varying wind and its lack of inertia, providing frequency response service to stabilise the grid.
Tesla has already proven this concept works in South Australia.
Elon Musk Tesla Battery Farm Australia | Tesla Battery
Not sure that generators have any particular clout with the DNO’s when it comes to installing things like Superchargers though.
ACarneiro
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If you're just running a megapack and inject power into the grid, does that classify you as a "generator"?
Yes. It doesn’t matter what ‘fuels’ the power you export, it only matters you’re physically connected to the grid, and have the capacity to export to it. Any connection to the grid needs to comply with the grid code, and if you ever want to be able to sell your capacity for frequency response into the market you’ll need to be despatchable by grid, so you’d need an EDL connection, registration as a BMU, and you’ll need to have the appropriate metering systems in place.
ACarneiro
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So it may well be that Tesla is just tapping into the rather lucrative market of peak generation with megapacks (or terapacks) and not really having anything to do with renewable power sources.
Allegedly, the megapack in Australia has already paid for itself...
It's interesting. When cell production is very much the rate limiting step, Tesla seem to be putting their fingers in possibly far too many pies. I would be delighted to see a cheaper and more energy-dense Powerwall 3...
Allegedly, the megapack in Australia has already paid for itself...
It's interesting. When cell production is very much the rate limiting step, Tesla seem to be putting their fingers in possibly far too many pies. I would be delighted to see a cheaper and more energy-dense Powerwall 3...
Weird times.
In the last few weeks National Grid have spent a fortune paying wind farms to stop generating.
National grid have applied to remove all embedded generation from the system this coming weekend, which will be nearly all the solar, plus many small generators and smaller wind farms, and of course, batteries.
They’ve also opened talks with EdF to lower the output of Sizewell B, the UK’s only PWR nuclear site.
Why? Because the demand is now so low that huge chunks of the supply are made up of non-flexible nuclear and non-predictable renewables. This leaves no room for the quick reacting conventional gas or coal generators (with their thousands of tonnes of flywheeling turbine and generator rotors) to come on and so stabilise the power supply.
In the last few weeks National Grid have spent a fortune paying wind farms to stop generating.
National grid have applied to remove all embedded generation from the system this coming weekend, which will be nearly all the solar, plus many small generators and smaller wind farms, and of course, batteries.
They’ve also opened talks with EdF to lower the output of Sizewell B, the UK’s only PWR nuclear site.
Why? Because the demand is now so low that huge chunks of the supply are made up of non-flexible nuclear and non-predictable renewables. This leaves no room for the quick reacting conventional gas or coal generators (with their thousands of tonnes of flywheeling turbine and generator rotors) to come on and so stabilise the power supply.
