Tesla attacks heating up

[yeti]

I sometimes feel that all these concept electric cars from big makers is just a ploy to keep people interested in their brand while they are secretly hoping for Tesla to fail in the meantime.

 

[jelloslug]

A decade behind? Really? I can't see where a charging network would be a big deal for any of them. They are relatively easy to deploy minus the permitting and everything.

Yes, a decade. None of the manufacturers you mention can make more than 20k or 30k pure EVs a year and they have not even started to work toward increasing that number. Tesla has been the leader in a real, robust fast charging network and it has taken them years to get close to 10,000 plugs world wide. The other manufacturers are not even interested in fast charging infrastructure, let alone have any kind of sensible plan for a network in the future.

 

[dmckinstry]

I can say one thing. I've had a lot of first time experiences with Tesla that have taught me some important lessons. First time buying an electric car, first time having to get a company to buy a car back right after purchase, first time having my car in service for 6 weeks, first time having to file for a lemon law and finally the first time having my car try to wreck itself.

When did you get your Tesla? An amazing amount of bad luck in 6 months, assuming you got it about the same time you joined TMC.

 

[jelloslug]

There's definitely sour grapes here lol. I really hate being that way but my experience has been a nightmare. I've been lied to so many times by them that I can't keep count. I know mostly the negative makes it on the forums but most of the issues are similar.

What you have experienced with Tesla has nothing to do with what other companies can do.

 

[Pentium2004]

When did you get your Tesla? An amazing amount of bad luck in 6 months, assuming you got it about the same time you joined TMC.

got the first in october and the second in november.

 

[Dutchie]

I think once Jaguar, Porsche and VW start rolling out their electric cars Tesla won't stand a chance. The main reason they have done so well is that their customer base is relatively small and they didn't have competition in this area. If the M3's have as many issues as many owners of the MS and MX have had they won't be able to keep up with the repair costs. Tesla has been cut some major slack by it's buyers because they were a new company and pretty exclusive. Once people have a choice other than Tesla I feel they will lose quite a bit of business. Telsa fans can argue this as much as they want but just watch and see.

As if Jaguar or VW does not have their issues. The main manufacturers have recalls all the time. Reason you hear more about Tess's issues is that Tesla is being viewed under a microscope all the time.

The traditional manufacturers will be pushing ICE's for a long time to come. Reason being that they have huge sunk costs in their manufacturing plants. Even if EV's are more compelling -- which will be very soon -- they rather sell ICE's at a loss, just to make-up for these sunk costs.

 

[Pentium2004]

What you have experienced with Tesla has nothing to do with what other companies can do.

Thank God

 

[jelloslug]

Thank God

Aren't you the guy that bought an inventory car without options that you wanted and then complained that it did not have the options you wanted?

 

[Barklikeadog]

As if Jaguar or VW does not have their issues. The main manufacturers have recalls all the time. Reason you hear more about Tess's issues is that Tesla is being viewed under a microscope all the time.

The traditional manufacturers will be pushing ICE's for a long time to come. Reason being that they have huge sunk costs in their manufacturing plants. Even if EV's are more compelling -- which will be very soon -- they rather sell ICE's at a loss, just to make-up for these sunk costs.

ICE vehicles will be sold for a long long time because millions of people are unable to charge in their current living situation which isn't going to change overnight.

 

[Barklikeadog]

Tesla will crack the $20k market eventually as well..

At that point Musk won't be running the company because he has stated that this will not happen.

 

[Henchman]

ICE cars will be all but obsolete within 20 years
Price point and affordability within 10.

 

[Henchman]

Aren't you the guy that bought an inventory car without options that you wanted and then complained that it did not have the options you wanted?

Is that true Pentium?

 

[Henchman]

Never mind looked it up.

You're one of "those" guys.
Didn't read the purchase agreement.
And then you blame Rick chips on Tesla.

Just go buy another F150 and be happy

 

[arcus]

The electric vehicle revolution has a cobalt problem
Battery shortage interrupts Hyundai Ioniq Electric sales
BMW wants to make EV batteries way better within 5 years
VW Sees EV Battery Shortage Unless 40 Factories Are Built By 2025
German automakers warned of possible battery materials shortage

Meanwhile:
Panasonic reduces Tesla’s cobalt consumption by 60% in 6 years ... | Benchmark Minerals
Tesla to Reduce Cobalt Use in EV Batteries to "Almost Nothing" | INN
https://electrek.co/2017/05/31/tesla-source-conflict-minerals-battery/

And if installing charging infrastructure "is just a matter of permits etc" then why do we have lengthy threads on how some superchargers are delayed by up to two years?

Also, in case of Tesla, it is not just about the cars, but an energy. Let's not forget that part.

 

[Pentium2004]

Is that true Pentium?

I ordered a car with the options I wanted or at least was told it had. I happen to order one right at the time they made many things standard on a dual motor. It was a mistake by my sales guys and I asked many questions and had texts and emails to back up. That's why they bought the car back.

 

[Pentium2004]

Never mind looked it up.

You're one of "those" guys.
Didn't read the purchase agreement.
And then you blame Rick chips on Tesla.

Just go buy another F150 and be happy

As soon as I can get out of this POS that's what I'll do.

 

[Pentium2004]

Yes I've bought 30+ cars and have never read an agreement lol. Unlikely.

 

[Henchman]

Sounds like a "you" problem.
Not a Tesla problem.

 

[Henchman]

I got EXACTLY the car I wanted from Tesla.

Weird

 

[Pentium2004]

Sounds like a "you" problem.
Not a Tesla problem.

Funny