Tesla Australia now quoting WLTP range

[Nobody Famous]

Tesla’s Australia website is now quoting WLTP range in place of the previous NEDC Range. A move in the right direction I think. Probably now no worse that Fuel Economy figures for Fossil Vehicles.

 

[Flatbat]

Gee, I just had a look at their model 3 listing. They are Cherry Picking the Performance 0 -100 time and placing it with the LR's range.

Should be 3.3 s & 567 km or 4.4 s & 580 km.

 

[Candleflame]

Gee, I just had a look at their model 3 listing. They are Cherry Picking the Performance 0 -100 time and placing it with the LR's range.

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Should be 3.3 s & 567 km or 4.4 s & 580 km.

thats probably one of tesla australias team members not paying attention. dont think it was intentional.

 

[pts260]

Don't forget the 0-60 in <2s with 1 foot roll out asterisk for the plaid modelS for cherry picking.....

 

[Vostok]

Don't forget the 0-60 in <2s with 1 foot roll out asterisk for the plaid modelS for cherry picking.....

I read this “1 foot rollout” thing frequently in US forums and had to look it up to find out what it meant.

Absolutely ridiculous. Only in the US would they measure the time to go from 0-60 from a speed other than 0.

 

[Vostok]

Tesla’s Australia website is now quoting WLTP range in place of the previous NEDC Range. A move in the right direction I think. Probably now no worse that Fuel Economy figures for Fossil Vehicles.

A lot of people reckon WLTP is pretty rubbish too, though. Yes better than NEDC, but that’s not saying much.

 

[cafz]

Does the WLTP number at least come close to the in-car guessometer with a new battery charged to 100%?

 

[Candleflame]

Does the WLTP number at least come close to the in-car guessometer with a new battery charged to 100%?

no it doesnt, and that is not its purpose.

 

[aegidius]

Found this conversion (they vary a bit but probably reasonably true) if anyone is still interested. WLTP numbers are starting to come up on Tesla's pages.
WLTP = 1.12 x EPA
NEDC = 1.43 x EPA

My experience (with a single data point of my S90D) is that EPA numbers are pretty right in practice.

 

[Vostok]

Found this conversion (they vary a bit but probably reasonably true) if anyone is still interested. WLTP numbers are starting to come up on Tesla's pages.
WLTP = 1.12 x EPA
NEDC = 1.43 x EPA

My experience (with a single data point of my S90D) is that EPA numbers are pretty right in practice.

If the remaining range battery indicator is based on EPA (and I think it is, since it was always 500 km max for M3 LR) then I agree - it’s very good, even at highway speeds. In my experience with highway driving, it’s an under-estimate by about 10% with AC off, and over-estimate by the same with AC on. So have the AC on 50% of the time and it nails it

The LEAF guess-o-meter in comparison is little better than a random number generator.

 

[aegidius]

it’s an under-estimate by about 10% with AC off, and over-estimate by the same with AC on

My AC is pretty much always on, and the dash range display is spot-on the EPA number for not-too-hilly suburban driving at 190Wh/km. On freeways the car is more efficient, getting 160-170, as long as I don't leadfoot it too much (AP on at speed limit). So if you take only the freeway figure, it jibes up pretty well with the WLTP number.

 

[Candleflame]

I read this “1 foot rollout” thing frequently in US forums and had to look it up to find out what it meant.

Absolutely ridiculous. Only in the US would they measure the time to go from 0-60 from a speed other than 0.

its a historic measurement due to the limitations of the technique back then. it has its place.

 

[aegidius]

I would imagine, not knowing any better, that the 1-foot rollout is to prevent unpredictable human reaction time from being counted in the 0-100 time. This would potentially give large errors when the car is as quick as sub-2-seconds.

 

[Candleflame]

I would imagine, not knowing any better, that the 1-foot rollout is to prevent unpredictable human reaction time from being counted in the 0-100 time. This would potentially give large errors when the car is as quick as sub-2-seconds.

nope as the counter is seperate and includes reaction time. rollout is only for historic reasons due to the technical limitations of measuring a 0 to 60 time back in the days.

 

[M3BlueGeorgia]

I would imagine, not knowing any better, that the 1-foot rollout is to prevent unpredictable human reaction time from being counted in the 0-100 time. This would potentially give large errors when the car is as quick as sub-2-seconds.

I suspect it is being done to offset some cheat modes from certain manufacturers.
They had a launch mode, rev'ing the engine to maximum with the brakes on full, before setting off. Basically showing 0-60 times entirely unobtainable in real usage.

 

[aegidius]

This article is informative about why the 1-foot rollout is used (and confirms what Candleflame has said)