The good news is that the Prius wasn’t interesting, so there was little reason to try to seriously compete with it
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Tesla autopilot HW3
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The good news is that the Prius wasn’t interesting, so there was little reason to try to seriously compete with it
But only after they retrofit HW3++ and release FW15, AKA Robotaxi so we are safe for now.
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This is just stupid. They have fulfilled most of their predictions of what the cars would do in the future. At the same time they've provided a ton of extra, useful features that nobody ever promised or expected. Sentry mode is a good example, as is the whole dash cam thing in general. I suppose you avoid using these things because they weren't what you bought (if you bought earlier).
Unlike other manufacturers, over the air updates and a strong reliance on software mean that Tesla is constantly improving its cars. A Tesla will improve and is therefore fundamentally better than other makes of cars. Denying that because they haven't yet improved in the particular way you want is ridiculous. Advising others to be similarly short-sighted is the action of a bitter and reality-challenged individual.
There is no better car than a Tesla. If you delay buying one until it's exactly what you want, then you won't be driving a Tesla. That's just stupid.
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You seem to be unable to distinguish between a plan and a promise. Plans change. Often, and sometimes quickly.
It is not just a plan when you pre-sell it with wording that suggests otherwise.
EVNow
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Not quite correct. It was very interesting for both people who wanted to be environmentally responsible and for OEMs who wanted to replicate Toyota's success.The good news is that the Prius wasn’t interesting, so there was little reason to try to seriously compete with it
If I am remembering what Elon said correctly, the interesting thing about the start of the HW3 upgrades is that it means that there will be divergence between the software running on HW2.5 and that which is running on HW3 (for FSD). If that is correct then it bodes well for V10 functionality. It will be interesting to see and hopefully we will not have too much longer to wait.
Depends on how much faith you put into what Elon spouts about future features and plans.
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Unless of course you were bitten by reality as a buyer of AP2 who was promised AP1 feature parity by end of 2016, which still hasnt happened yet (speed sign recognition is still sorely missing - and it might take a very long time until they find a way around Mobileyes computer vision patent on it).
AP2 owners had a 1.5 year downgrade and didnt get dashcam or sentry (with recording - not the red dot display). The
So as an AP2 owner (who's likely even going to have to wait beyond the AP2.5 to AP3 upgrades because Tesla still needs to figure out how to upgrade cameras and radar for AP2), I have to object to the "delivered more than promised" mantra.
Works for AP2.5, sure, but AP2 owners are still left in the dust and Tesla doesnt seem to care much. As Elon tweeted regarding FSD refunds when the price was lowered earlier this year. Refunds were considered only for Model 3 FSD preorders, not for AP2/2.5 orderers who had paid for it 2 years earlier and received no additional functionality.
Oh, and I never heard anything of the reimbursement they claimed they would provide.
Great cars, sure. My 2017 S90D was just valued exactly 50% for a tradein at ca. 28k miles and 2.5 years old. So no upgrade to X for me, the difference is just too much.
Through rose-tinted glasses maybe.
Still driving with the same crappy system in a loaner i3. It is wrong more often than it is right. Tesla may have improved the accuracy in HW1 over the BMW implementation but frankly it does not deserve the halo you bestow upon it.
My Tesla is in third party body shop because of a minor fender bender. I now drive tiniest Toyota Yaris. It has functional speed sign recognizion
Its price is about 1/10th of Tesla
Disclaimer; my Tesla has functional speed sign recognizion as it is AP1 car.
willow_hiller
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I think AP 2+ has a form of speed limit sign recognition, it's just processed in Tesla servers and delayed by map updates instead of real time.
Anyone near northern Virginia, try driving north on I-95 just south of I-495. There are 65 MPH signs on the left for the express way, and 55 MPH signs on the right. Without fail, my speed limit symbol (incorrectly) switches to 65 whenever I pass a sign on the left, and switches back when I pass a sign on the right.
The only way Tesla would have map data that incorrectly picks up the speed signs on the left would be if they're deriving it from car footage.
Anyone near northern Virginia, try driving north on I-95 just south of I-495. There are 65 MPH signs on the left for the express way, and 55 MPH signs on the right. Without fail, my speed limit symbol (incorrectly) switches to 65 whenever I pass a sign on the left, and switches back when I pass a sign on the right.
The only way Tesla would have map data that incorrectly picks up the speed signs on the left would be if they're deriving it from car footage.
Likely meaningless, but for months I’ve been unable to schedule a service request if the “What do you need done?” section included the word “HW3” ... today, my request went through.
EDIT:
Confirmation text followed-up with:
Please wait until you receive a notification that your vehicle is ready for the HW3 upgrade. It is rolling out, yes, but you must wait until you are notified that your vehicle is ready. Currently, the features are the same regardless of the hardware - you are not missing any features without the updated hardware, as full self driving is still not released.
EDIT:
Confirmation text followed-up with:
Please wait until you receive a notification that your vehicle is ready for the HW3 upgrade. It is rolling out, yes, but you must wait until you are notified that your vehicle is ready. Currently, the features are the same regardless of the hardware - you are not missing any features without the updated hardware, as full self driving is still not released.
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diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
I wonder if the start of the HW3 rollout and the soon to be released V10 is a coincidence or if it suggests that Tesla is closer to releasing FSD features. I am guessing FSD features will come later in subsequent V10 updates, like maybe V10.1 or V10.2.
willow_hiller
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Enhanced Summon is probably NN-intensive enough to warrant Tesla making a HW3 version separate from an HW2.5 version. It could convince a few EAP owners to upgrade to FSD if it makes Enhanced Summon drive faster.
diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
Yes, I could certainly see a reliable FSD version of Enhanced Summon being very NN intensive.
AlanSubie4Life
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If so, I hope for a careless Elon tweet where he impulsively agrees to upgrade all EAP owners to HW3, so that they can get decent Enhanced Summon quality.
Personally, I think if they are going to make it two tiers, they should come up with another name for the HW2.5 Summon. Slow Summon?
GlmnAlyAirCar
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Not to mention the AP1 features that were never delivered: Summon meeting you at the curb, on-ramp-to-off-ramp autopilot. These features were originally released in October 2015, and are still in beta. They haven't been updated in years.
So I have to agree: buy based on what the system does today. In a few years all of you AP2.5 owners will be complaining about not being upgraded to the needed AP5 hardware needed for FSD.
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