I disagree. I find autosteer useful in stop and go traffic and on long trips. On long trips I do find myself using a mix of full manual control, TACC, and, for a bit of a rest, AP. AP is great when I find myself wandering a bit. This is especially true where lanes have been narrowed to add an additional lane.
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I disagree. I find autosteer useful in stop and go traffic and on long trips. On long trips I do find myself using a mix of full manual control, TACC, and, for a bit of a rest, AP. AP is great when I find myself wandering a bit. This is especially true where lanes have been narrowed to add an additional lane.
If AP didn't exist, the person doesn't die.
Because he'd certainly drive better than the Prius driver and dozens of other drivers who crash on that particular gore point every year without Autopilot?
I really don’t know why we are going on and on about this when a message clearly states with every activation “Be prepared to take over at any time and keep your hands on the wheel”
It’s simple; if you ignore the message, you’re at fault.
Just because a gun has a safety, doesn’t mean you should make it common practice to stare in the barrel every time you pick it up.
Autopilot has killed nobody, it has only allowed people to be put in situations in which they failed to prepare themselves. Responsible people know once they see one instance of doubt (the activation message) that it is not a reliance feature but an assistance feature.
It’s simple; if you ignore the message, you’re at fault.
Just because a gun has a safety, doesn’t mean you should make it common practice to stare in the barrel every time you pick it up.
Autopilot has killed nobody, it has only allowed people to be put in situations in which they failed to prepare themselves. Responsible people know once they see one instance of doubt (the activation message) that it is not a reliance feature but an assistance feature.
Which doesn't answer any of my questions. If TACC didn't exist then no one dies while TACC is being use. BTW, TACC on my Genesis was perfectly willing to run full speed into a stopped vehicle if the stopped vehicle was uncovered by a moving vehicle changing lanes.
Yeah this is subjective you have to see that. People abuse everything in their lives. If planes didn’t exist people wouldn’t have died in accidents either. But we aren’t talking about how to be a numb society. Life is a risk everyday. Just don’t add to it by knowingly ignoring warning signs.
Unfortunate for sure. But I’d really like to know how many deaths/accidents Autopilot prevented so we are not looking at this completely one sided.
Odds are the list of L2 fatalities is much higher.
Everyone seems to forget that people were doing stupid things with L2 vehicles well before Tesla ever introduced Autopilot.
It's funny how people remember the YouTube video of WK057 getting in the backseat of his AP1 Tesla just after the release of Autopilot, but they seem to forget that he was motivated by a video made of a guy in an Infiniti (I believe) doing the same thing that was posted WELL before Autopilot.
The coke can trick to defeat the steering wheel torque sensor also existed before.
No one knows how many people have done stupid things in L2 cars since no one other that Tesla keeps track.
As to whether AP actually was the case of the accident? My count is 1 because I could see it being a contributing factor in the Mountain View crash. But, I'd also say the bad luck of the barrier not being reset was also a major contributing factor. But, if AP didn't exist he'd probably still be alive so I can see it being one.
The one in China I'd say is the drivers fault as he should have been paying attention.
The one Florida is also the fault of the driver. That accident could have easily occurred under adaptive cruise control with a distracted driver. It's not like people who text don't crash all the time.
It doesn’t help that the NTSB doesn’t seem to care to investigate any other L2 ADAS system implicated in accidents, or even vehicles with AEB systems that didn’t work, unless it’s a Tesla. Oh well. The silver lining is that Tesla has always reacted to such scrutiny by improving their capabilities. That’s to everyone else’s loss.
They're currently investigating the AEB system on the Nissan Rogue to to severe false braking.
NHTSA Investigates 675,000 Nissan Rogue Units Due To Erratic AEB
I’m glad they are doing so but that’s the NHTSA investigating if a recall is necessary, which happens pretty frequently for automotive defects. The NTSB investigating passenger car crashes is, AFAIK, nearly unprecedented outside of the two Tesla fatalities.
Not really. Honestly the attention, negative and positive, Tesla gets is driven by the passionate fans, not necessarily a public that mostly doesn't care. The fossil fuel lobby is a convenient scapegoat and does lobby policies that are unfavorable but Tesla fans drive clicks like no others.
L2 systems existed before Tesla Ap1? Are you sure? and in an infinity?
My 2011 Prius had radar and forward camera with adaptive cruise control, lane keep assist, and lane departure warning. In 2011.
Does anyone know that the hardware required to detect a power failure on one of the wires is present? Redundant power supply would be pretty useless if the car kept on driving indefinitely as if nothing happened after 1 of 2 wires has broken.
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How did lane keep assist work though?
I drove a Fusion the same year and the system did not keep the car in its lane by itself, just nudged it a little if it started to depart the lane, but a far cry from what AP1 did in my Model S in 2015.
Yeah, no doubt, in 2011 those systems were in their infancy. The Prius system only nudged a little. But the point was that AP1 was several years after that... and yes AP1 pushed the limits of driver assistance features beyond what any other make was doing at the time, but that doesn't mean they were the only L2 game in town. Also, it mostly wasn't even their technology -- off-the-shelf Mobileye plus off-the-shelf radar. The big difference with Tesla was that they were willing to enable features in those off-the-shelf products that other manufacturer's were due to safety and reliability concerns.
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