...which means its electric vehicles will be modified ICE vehicles instead of designed as electric vehicles.
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...which means its electric vehicles will be modified ICE vehicles instead of designed as electric vehicles.
Which also means they will likely be compromised designs with poor layout of components. You don't need any storage capacity do you?
"TOKYO (Reuters) - Nissan Motor Co said on Tuesday it has agreed to sell its electric battery business to Chinese investment firm GSR Capital for an undisclosed sum.
The business to be sold to GSR includes battery plants in Tennessee, England and Japan, the Japanese automaker said in a statement."
Nissan to sell its electric battery business to GSR Capital
Nissan agrees to sell its battery business to Chinese investment company
The business to be sold to GSR includes battery plants in Tennessee, England and Japan, the Japanese automaker said in a statement."
Nissan to sell its electric battery business to GSR Capital
Nissan agrees to sell its battery business to Chinese investment company
Maybe. The Ioniq looks to be well designed yet it is one of these multi-platform designs. Basically that car sacrifices the frunk to be a multi-platform design. A significant but not critical feature.
The positive aspect of Hyundai and BMW taking this approach is that they are thinking about high volume BEV production. BMW's carbon fiber "i" factory is a low volume side show.
I would be surprised if the BMW 3 series BEV is not a desirable car.
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Hyundai Makes Shift Change, Will Launch Long-Range Premium Electric Tesla-Fighter
“The South Korean automaker is planning to launch an electric sedan under its high-end Genesis brand in 2021 with a range of 500 km (310 miles) per charge. It will also introduce an electric version of its Kona small sport utility vehicle (SUV) with a range of 390 km in the first half of next year.”
“The South Korean automaker is planning to launch an electric sedan under its high-end Genesis brand in 2021 with a range of 500 km (310 miles) per charge. It will also introduce an electric version of its Kona small sport utility vehicle (SUV) with a range of 390 km in the first half of next year.”
RobStark
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Ford will ease into EVs
Ford plans to introduce 13 electrified models by 2021, 7 of which it has identified.
• Police Responder Hybrid Sedan, 2018*
• Ford Escape plug-in hybrid, 2019
• Lincoln MKC plug-in hybrid, 2019
• Ford Expedition hybrid, 2019
• Lincoln Navigator hybrid, 2019
• Transit Custom plug-in hybrid, 2019* (Europe)
• Electric small SUV with 300-mile range (expected to be called Model E), 2020*
• Ford Mustang Hybrid, 2020*
• Ford F-150 Hybrid, 2020*
• Autonomous hybrid for commercial mobility services, 2021*
• Another hybrid police vehicle, timing unknown*
• 2 more electrified vehicles, timing unknown
*Announced by Ford
Ford plans to introduce 13 electrified models by 2021, 7 of which it has identified.
• Police Responder Hybrid Sedan, 2018*
• Ford Escape plug-in hybrid, 2019
• Lincoln MKC plug-in hybrid, 2019
• Ford Expedition hybrid, 2019
• Lincoln Navigator hybrid, 2019
• Transit Custom plug-in hybrid, 2019* (Europe)
• Electric small SUV with 300-mile range (expected to be called Model E), 2020*
• Ford Mustang Hybrid, 2020*
• Ford F-150 Hybrid, 2020*
• Autonomous hybrid for commercial mobility services, 2021*
• Another hybrid police vehicle, timing unknown*
• 2 more electrified vehicles, timing unknown
*Announced by Ford
RobStark
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So, in Japan today.
Nissan revealed LEAF 2.0
On sale in Japan next month, in the USA early next year.
150 miles EPA range for $29.9k 40 kWh pack.
60 kWh pack available in a year or so for ~220 miles of EPA range.
Pro-Pilot available in the top two trim's tech packages, not available on base model.
Nissan revealed LEAF 2.0
On sale in Japan next month, in the USA early next year.
150 miles EPA range for $29.9k 40 kWh pack.
60 kWh pack available in a year or so for ~220 miles of EPA range.
Pro-Pilot available in the top two trim's tech packages, not available on base model.
RobStark
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Well, the consensus seems to be that it is much more attractive and conventional than LEAF 1.0 . Not that hard to accomplish in either case. And that it will appeal to a much larger percentage of new car buyers. Those that don't want a " Hey,look at me. I am driving an electric vehicle. Ergo, I am morally superior to you ICEv drivers" styling.
Overall, LEAF 2.0 has gotten moderately positive reviews in North America and very positive reviews in Europe and Japan.
I'm currently on my second leaf. The new one looks as good or bad as the old one in its own way IMHO. It's a fine car but why cant they figure out how to not have that stupid subwoofer occupy trunk floor space? Also looks like they still didnt get rid of that mound on the floor in front of the back seats leaving the third person in the back row uncomfortable. For an established car company they can't think of solutions to these things?
Ignoring small details (lights etc) it actually looks just like a Bolt to me.
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I think it looks like a typical Nissan, and better than ours. *shrugs*
I don't feel competitive vehicles, i.e. Bolt, i3, Ioniq, etc., look any better.
JRP3
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For me the new LEAF is "meh", which is a step up from the "yuck" of the original LEAF.
I'm sure the marketing folks way back when decided that EV owners were "quirky" iconoclasts, who wanted to change the world and wanted everyone to know about it. Hence the "quirky" design language of a lot of introductory EV/hybrid cars.
Only later when there became mass acceptance of hybrids did the design language for hybrids follow conventional cars. To me the Leaf v2 reflects an understanding by the designers that BEVs are becoming a (the?) norm, and the more conventional car design reflects it (especially the front end--no more bug eyes!).
Frankly it was interesting to me that the Bolt looked so "conventional"--to a certain extent likely out of pragmatism (using same ICE platform), but subconsciously maybe a realization that these types of cars are what people do want.
Only later when there became mass acceptance of hybrids did the design language for hybrids follow conventional cars. To me the Leaf v2 reflects an understanding by the designers that BEVs are becoming a (the?) norm, and the more conventional car design reflects it (especially the front end--no more bug eyes!).
Frankly it was interesting to me that the Bolt looked so "conventional"--to a certain extent likely out of pragmatism (using same ICE platform), but subconsciously maybe a realization that these types of cars are what people do want.
RobStark
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Gen 1 Prius was a Tercel with hybrid drivetrain. Like Ford Fusion Energi.
Gen 2 Prius started the iconic "cheese wedge" design.
Gen 2 outsold Gen 1. By a WHOLE LOT.
Lesson learned by designers at legacy automakers.
Yep didn't help that the Tercel was cheap and non-descript (IMHO)... sorry for any Tercel lovers out there.
RobStark
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Magna shows Tesla that three motors are better than two when it comes to corners
Magna replaces Tesla Model S motors,inverter and reduction gears with their own and uses torque vectoring.
Magna replaces Tesla Model S motors,inverter and reduction gears with their own and uses torque vectoring.
Magna shows Tesla that three motors are better than two when it comes to corners
Magna replaces Tesla Model S motors,inverter and reduction gears with their own and uses torque vectoring.
I've been saying for a while that I think the next flagship should probably be a P120T with two smaller rear motors.
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