referenced by a recent seekingalpha article, this article is pretty detailed about the Lucid Air: Lucid's Drivetrain Technology Makes The Air “The Flash” Of The EV World @ Top Speed
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willow_hiller
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Chevy Bolt recall over fire risk: Learn About
They're instructing all Bolt owners to not charge past 90%. Beginning November 17 they're providing dealerships with software that can be flashed to the BMS that permanently locks the top 10% of the battery while they investigate the fires.
They're instructing all Bolt owners to not charge past 90%. Beginning November 17 they're providing dealerships with software that can be flashed to the BMS that permanently locks the top 10% of the battery while they investigate the fires.
willow_hiller
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Tesla Bjorn discovered a design flaw in the BMW i3. If you start charging with a low SOC the heater will not start. And even when the heater does start after some monkeying around, the battery temperature rises faster than with the heater off. So charging takes longer. He speculated this is due to only having a single cooling loop.
Welcome to the world of non-Tesla charging. They did stop at a Supercharger, but no luck with the Taycan...
The Guardian: ‘Why did it take nine hours to go 130 miles in our new electric Porsche?’.
‘Why did it take nine hours to go 130 miles in our new electric Porsche?’
The Guardian: ‘Why did it take nine hours to go 130 miles in our new electric Porsche?’.
‘Why did it take nine hours to go 130 miles in our new electric Porsche?’
Having access in the car or on the phone to real time data on the site usage or at least functionality is essential for worry free travel. Tesla has been giving us that for a couple years now. I think EA has added that feature recently? Hopefully the rest will get onboard one of these days...
The problem until you get a country mandated standard is that you need to pay attention to what 3-5 different networks so it easily turns into a mess. Superchargers are so much better.
"Dear Lucifer, is it getting chilly down there?"
Toyota announces new all-electric SUV coming soon - Electrek
Toyota announces new all-electric SUV coming soon - Electrek
willow_hiller
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If they're unveiling a silhouette now, when can we expect the car? 2025 at best?
Toyota's game-changing solid-state battery en route for 2021 debut
TOKYO -- A trip of 500 km on one charge. A recharge from zero to full in 10 minutes. All with minimal safety concerns. The solid-state battery being introduced by Toyota promises to be a game changer not just for electric vehicles but for an entire industry.
The technology is a potential cure-all for the drawbacks facing electric vehicles that run on conventional lithium-ion batteries, including the relatively short distance traveled on a single charge as well as charging times. Toyota plans to be the first company to sell an electric vehicle equipped with a solid-state battery in the early 2020s. The world's largest automaker will unveil a prototype next year.
The electric vehicles being developed by Toyota will have a range more than twice the distance of a vehicle running on a conventional lithium-ion battery under the same conditions. All accomplished without sacrificing interior space in even the most compact vehicle.
Solid-state batteries are expected to become a viable alternative to lithium-ion batteries that use aqueous electrolyte solutions. The innovation would lower the risk of fires, and multiply energy density, which measures the energy a battery can deliver compared to its weight.
It would take roughly 10 minutes to charge an electric vehicle equipped with a solid-state battery, cutting the recharging time by two-thirds. The battery can extend the driving distance of a compact electric vehicle while maintaining legroom.
Toyota stands at the top of the global heap with over 1,000 patents involving solid-state batteries. Nissan Motor plans to develop its own solid-state battery which will power a non-simulation vehicle by 2028.
The shift toward the new battery technology will also have an effect on companies further down the supply chain.
Japanese auto materials makers are rushing to set up the necessary infrastructure to supply automakers. Mitsui Mining and Smelting, commonly known as Mitsui Kinzoku, will start up a pilot facility that will make solid electrolytes for the batteries.
The production site, located at a research and development center in Saitama Prefecture, will be able to produce dozens of tons of solid electrolyte annually staring next year, enough to fulfill orders for prototypes.
TOKYO -- A trip of 500 km on one charge. A recharge from zero to full in 10 minutes. All with minimal safety concerns. The solid-state battery being introduced by Toyota promises to be a game changer not just for electric vehicles but for an entire industry.
The technology is a potential cure-all for the drawbacks facing electric vehicles that run on conventional lithium-ion batteries, including the relatively short distance traveled on a single charge as well as charging times. Toyota plans to be the first company to sell an electric vehicle equipped with a solid-state battery in the early 2020s. The world's largest automaker will unveil a prototype next year.
The electric vehicles being developed by Toyota will have a range more than twice the distance of a vehicle running on a conventional lithium-ion battery under the same conditions. All accomplished without sacrificing interior space in even the most compact vehicle.
Solid-state batteries are expected to become a viable alternative to lithium-ion batteries that use aqueous electrolyte solutions. The innovation would lower the risk of fires, and multiply energy density, which measures the energy a battery can deliver compared to its weight.
It would take roughly 10 minutes to charge an electric vehicle equipped with a solid-state battery, cutting the recharging time by two-thirds. The battery can extend the driving distance of a compact electric vehicle while maintaining legroom.
Toyota stands at the top of the global heap with over 1,000 patents involving solid-state batteries. Nissan Motor plans to develop its own solid-state battery which will power a non-simulation vehicle by 2028.
The shift toward the new battery technology will also have an effect on companies further down the supply chain.
Japanese auto materials makers are rushing to set up the necessary infrastructure to supply automakers. Mitsui Mining and Smelting, commonly known as Mitsui Kinzoku, will start up a pilot facility that will make solid electrolytes for the batteries.
The production site, located at a research and development center in Saitama Prefecture, will be able to produce dozens of tons of solid electrolyte annually staring next year, enough to fulfill orders for prototypes.
roblab
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Personally, I think Tesla's styling is far ahead of the Beemer... AND Tesla has supercharging... AND Tesla has 400 miles range... AND, and, and, and, and. I don't feel Tesla needs to compete with BMW, or that BMW is even in this game.
Sounds great. But if the technology was actually close to mature, it should be showing up in cell phones, where those benefits are even more important and the potential profit from a better battery is greater. I haven't heard of a single one of those, so I think this tech is still pretty far from production...
willow_hiller
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VW ID.4 1st MAX (77 kWh usable battery) achieves an estimated 254 km range driving at 110 km/h (158 miles at 68 mph) in first user winter range test (2 C / 34 F).
We don't actually know much about the Toyota solid state battery, but if it was great and close to production ready, I don't think they would be messing around with Hydrogen Fuel cells.
Daimler had a solid state battery for one of their products, but due to it's limitations, provided an option for a regular battery.
IMO solid state is a bit overhyped as if it is a silver bullet, in reality it delivers a battery with certain characteristics for a particular price and scaling production has been had.
So far what Toyota has told us sounds great, but what haven't they told us?
RobStark
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About half of General Motors' 1,900 GMC dealers in the United States have agreed to invest up to $140,000 to sell the 2022 Hummer all-electric pickup truck.
The dealers are on board in part because the Hummer Edition 1 already has 10,000 preorders. Also, GMC promises to have more EVs in the lineup beyond the Hummer pickup, including a Hummer SUV version that GM will officially reveal early next year and an all-electric Sierra pickup "soon."
While GM declined to disclose the number of preorders for the Hummer Edition 1 or comment on future product, a GMC spokeswoman confirmed about half of GMC dealers have signed up to sell the Hummer EV.
GMC leaders shared that preorder figure and other news with dealers in a national dealer meeting held virtually last Thursday.
"The Hummer Edition 1 sold out in 10 minutes and they said they had enough orders for it to fulfill their first year of production currently," said a dealer who attended the meeting. "But they are evaluating if they can build more."
GM engineer's home-built race cars inspire Hummer EV features
The dealers are on board in part because the Hummer Edition 1 already has 10,000 preorders. Also, GMC promises to have more EVs in the lineup beyond the Hummer pickup, including a Hummer SUV version that GM will officially reveal early next year and an all-electric Sierra pickup "soon."
While GM declined to disclose the number of preorders for the Hummer Edition 1 or comment on future product, a GMC spokeswoman confirmed about half of GMC dealers have signed up to sell the Hummer EV.
GMC leaders shared that preorder figure and other news with dealers in a national dealer meeting held virtually last Thursday.
"The Hummer Edition 1 sold out in 10 minutes and they said they had enough orders for it to fulfill their first year of production currently," said a dealer who attended the meeting. "But they are evaluating if they can build more."
GM engineer's home-built race cars inspire Hummer EV features
willow_hiller
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Thoughts on latest Apple Car rumors? Sketchy Report Says Apple Car is Years Ahead of Schedule, Will Debut Next Year
I don't know if it's possible for Apple to have tested a car on public roads without a single photo being taken.
I don't know if it's possible for Apple to have tested a car on public roads without a single photo being taken.
Gali posted a YouTube video that you can find in this link:- Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the 2019-2020 Investors' Roundtable
Other have questioned Lucid partnering Apple, the biggest question mark in my mind is what car are they build and who will sign off on the design?
This would delay the Lucid production launch if Apple wanted to revisit al aspects of the design.
The only viable compromise is they continue with the Lucid designs and Apple designs the next generation.
IMO some sort of "culture clash" is likely.
One plus for Tesla and new entrants like Apple/Lucid is ICE car companies are about to start drowning in red ink, they will be forced shutter some factories and a "fire-sale" of some assets is very likely.
IMO this is completely different to GM and Toyota stripping machines from the shuttered NUMI plant, car companies can't redeploy the equipment, they have nowhere to store it and they may need cash desperately.
Tesla can value factories as "land and equipment", someone like Apple may be prepared to pay more.
Should Tesla buy a shuttered factory, they don't need to use that that equipment on that site.
There are 2 separate questions:-
Other have questioned Lucid partnering Apple, the biggest question mark in my mind is what car are they build and who will sign off on the design?
This would delay the Lucid production launch if Apple wanted to revisit al aspects of the design.
The only viable compromise is they continue with the Lucid designs and Apple designs the next generation.
IMO some sort of "culture clash" is likely.
One plus for Tesla and new entrants like Apple/Lucid is ICE car companies are about to start drowning in red ink, they will be forced shutter some factories and a "fire-sale" of some assets is very likely.
IMO this is completely different to GM and Toyota stripping machines from the shuttered NUMI plant, car companies can't redeploy the equipment, they have nowhere to store it and they may need cash desperately.
Tesla can value factories as "land and equipment", someone like Apple may be prepared to pay more.
Should Tesla buy a shuttered factory, they don't need to use that that equipment on that site.
There are 2 separate questions:-
- Can Tesla use some of the equipment?
- Can Tesla use the factory site for something?
Limiting Factory video on the Apple battery::-
Will post comments after I watch it..
EDIT: Summary --
Main issues are cost and energy density.- these batteries can take a lot of punishment and charge fast.
Apple may be able to help scale up and lower costs.
Energy Density is part of the overall package....
Higher voltage can help partially overcome some "energy density" issues by allowing smaller cables and some weight savings at the cost of more expensive components.
In the context of the Apple/Lucid partnership, it make more sense when we consider a higher voltage more efficient car design, with fast charging on a low energy density pack.
To make it work Apple would need a rapid roll out of their own fast charging network, charging would be quick but you would need more frequent charging stops. Charging will probably include the opportunity to purchase Apple products in the Apple store located near the charger.
It is too early to write this off as a potential competitor, it is a nightmare for ICE car makers, but some welcome competition for Tesla.
As I implied above, anything that close ICE factories faster creates, the opportunity for Tesla to purchase cheaper 2nd hand factory equipment.
Will post comments after I watch it..
EDIT: Summary --
Main issues are cost and energy density.- these batteries can take a lot of punishment and charge fast.
Apple may be able to help scale up and lower costs.
Energy Density is part of the overall package....
Higher voltage can help partially overcome some "energy density" issues by allowing smaller cables and some weight savings at the cost of more expensive components.
In the context of the Apple/Lucid partnership, it make more sense when we consider a higher voltage more efficient car design, with fast charging on a low energy density pack.
To make it work Apple would need a rapid roll out of their own fast charging network, charging would be quick but you would need more frequent charging stops. Charging will probably include the opportunity to purchase Apple products in the Apple store located near the charger.
It is too early to write this off as a potential competitor, it is a nightmare for ICE car makers, but some welcome competition for Tesla.
As I implied above, anything that close ICE factories faster creates, the opportunity for Tesla to purchase cheaper 2nd hand factory equipment.
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