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Not quite.
F150 Lightning has it's own frame, new unique motors (not used on mach-e), new battery system (SK innovation , not LG), new suspension (rear independent), completely redesigned front end and coolant architecture to host a very large "mega-power frunk", new to F150 large center display (from mach-e), new braking system (for the much higher weight).

It shares the rear bed and interior seats with the existing F150.
Its frame is a slightly modified ICE F-150 frame. To make room for the battery pack.

The IRS is little modified Expedition suspension.

"Completely redesigned front end" they removed hard points inside the engine bay not needed for ICE/transmission mounting points.

The Brakes are from the F-250.

It shares all the exterior panels except the tailgate(which is slightly modified at the top) with the ICE F-150 and they gave it a new grill. The Pro and XLT share the F-150 ICE interior. The Lariat and Platinum adopt the Mach E touchscreen. All aftermarket accessories from ICE F-150/Expedition rear suspension can be added to Lightning.

Yeah, Ford got new suppliers for the powertrain.

Ford CEO Farley admits a ground up battery electric pickup truck design, which is coming in ~2025, will add 70+ miles of range. It won't replace the Lightning but will be sold alongside the Lightning.
 
Its frame is a slightly modified ICE F-150 frame. To make room for the battery pack.

The IRS is little modified Expedition suspension.

"Completely redesigned front end" they removed hard points inside the engine bay not needed for ICE/transmission mounting points.

The Brakes are from the F-250.

It shares all the exterior panels except the tailgate(which is slightly modified at the top) with the ICE F-150 and they gave it a new grill. The Pro and XLT share the F-150 ICE interior. The Lariat and Platinum adopt the Mach E touchscreen. All aftermarket accessories from ICE F-150/Expedition rear suspension can be added to Lightning.

Yeah, Ford got new suppliers for the powertrain.

Ford CEO Farley admits a ground up battery electric pickup truck design, which is coming in ~2025, will add 70+ miles of range. It won't replace the Lightning but will be sold alongside the Lightning.

So, you agree it isn't an ICE conversion of the F150.
The Ford Focus EV was a "conversion". This F150L is not.
Fine, keep digging Rob, your statement to remind the thread was :

The F-150 Lightning is an ICE F-150 conversion

Frame is entirely new, not "slightly modified".

The suspension is new to the F150, again, it's not a derivative of any F150 part.

Front end was completely redesigned, entire component systems like HVAC, power steering pumps and the like were redesigned and fit elsewhere.

The front fender (charging port), front trunk (angled and lowered), entire front fascia, rear tailgate, are all 100% new to the F150L, obviously they look the sam-ish, but different means not a "conversion", all new tooling required.

Providing identical mounting points for accessories is a "feature", not a "conversion".

Glad you agree you posted an incorrect statement and then revised (still factually incorrect) to show that it's not a simple conversion.
Literally billions spent on a brand new manufacturing plant built from ground up, with brand new stamping, casting and integration points sharing far less with any previous F150 than you'd expect due to how the truck looks (namely like an F150).

Of course Ford needs to do another ground up design, they realise that 320 miles range from 131 usable kWh is not going to fly by 2025 when Chevy, Tesla and Rivian have next generation products available. But that doesn't mean the Lightning can be characterised incorrectly as a "conversion".
 
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So, you agree it isn't an ICE conversion of the F150.
The Ford Focus EV was a "conversion". This F150L is not.
Fine, keep digging Rob, your statement to remind the thread was :



Frame is entirely new, not "slightly modified".

The suspension is new to the F150, again, it's not a derivative of any F150 part.

Front end was completely redesigned, entire component systems like HVAC, power steering pumps and the like were redesigned and fit elsewhere.

The front fender (charging port), front trunk (angled and lowered), entire front fascia, rear tailgate, are all 100% new to the F150L, obviously they look the sam-ish, but different means not a "conversion", all new tooling required.

Providing identical mounting points for accessories is a "feature", not a "conversion".

Glad you agree you posted an incorrect statement and then revised (still factually incorrect) to show that it's not a simple conversion.
Literally billions spent on a brand new manufacturing plant built from ground up, with brand new stamping, casting and integration points sharing far less with any previous F150 than you'd expect due to how the truck looks (namely like an F150).

Of course Ford needs to do another ground up design, they realise that 320 miles range from 131 usable kWh is not going to fly by 2025 when Chevy, Tesla and Rivian have next generation products available. But that doesn't mean the Lightning can be characterised incorrectly as a "conversion".

What I listed as changes is a conversion. You make changes during a conversion.

And what I said is factually correct.

Farley is confident they can ramp up Lightning gliders to a million per year.

Because it is a variation of what they have been building for over 50 years.
 
If you get upvoted for your post, I'll relent, until then, almost completely false and shown clearly false.
Nothing personal, I like your factual posts, but that one was a turd.

You have taken Ford's PR department's talking points hook, line and sinker.

They love talking about "all new" this and that. "Completely redesigned" this and that.

Rarely true. And not so in this case.

Truth isn't subject to a vote.
 
You have taken Ford's PR department's talking points hook, line and sinker.
Truth isn't subject to a vote.

No, I have exhaustively researched it day in and day out for a year as I intend to spend $100K on the vehicle, you can't say that.
Re: votes, if you don't get a vote, you don't get acknowledged for posting useful content, which I did in this thread as rebuttal to your clearly false statement.
 
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If you get upvoted for your post, I'll relent, until then, almost completely false and shown clearly false.

If it was worth my time I would look for the references, but I recall Ford saying that they were able to bring the F-150 Lightning to market so quickly because they built it off the existing platform, just modifying the existing F-150 platform to accommodate the EV drivetrain. It doesn't mean it is identical, just that it is largely similar. They even said that they would be doing a separate ground-up truck design that would come to market later.

Look at how they don't answer the FAQ about this:

Does this truck include an all-new frame?
Our new high-strength steel frame was uniquely designed for the F-150 Lightning, developed specifically to help the truck deliver its Built Ford Tough durability and capability.

They don't say yes. They just say it is unique, which of course it is, it was modified from their existing frame for the F-150.

Just to be clear, it isn't a conversion like an end-user conversion where you just take out the ICE junk and put an EV drivetrain/battery in it.
 
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Ultimately it's going to be easier to adapt a truck chassis to an EV drive train than a car. Trucks are designed from the start to be heavily modified for various different purposes. Changing the bed on a pickup is a matter of pulling some bolts, disconnecting some cables, and hoisting it off. Removing a similarly large piece of a car would require cutting the sheet metal and some refinisihing.

Cars these days also tend to be packed very tight with the ICE and ICE support equipment tightly packaged into as little space as possible to give as much passenger and cargo space as possible. On the other hand a pickup is packed much less tightly because the volume is larger.

A car that was designed for an ICE drive train modified for an EV drive train is going to be a compromised design because they are trying to cram a new drive train with differently shaped components into a chassis that was designed for a very tightly packed ICE drive train. There is going to be wasted space. A truck can be converted more easily because it already has a frame (that no new car designs have) that is ideal for packing all the components of the EV drive train into. The space where the iCE used to is a contiguous space that can be turned into added cargo space.

A more aggressive EV truck design in the future could reduce the frunk space, moving the passenger compartment forward, and increasing rear carrying space, but the layout of the F150L is perfectly adequate for now with no awkward compromises like happens with car conversions.

Ford already put the F150 on a diet a few years ago incorporating a lot of aluminum components, so the existing design is lighter than older truck designs. They were probably working on the F150L at the time and saw benefits when the design was going to be electrified.
 
Ford already put the F150 on a diet a few years ago incorporating a lot of aluminum components, so the existing design is lighter than older truck designs. They were probably working on the F150L at the time and saw benefits when the design was going to be electrified.
I agree with all your comments about how much easier it is to convert a body-on-frame truck to EV than a unibody car. But Ford switched the F-150 to aluminum in 2014 (MY 2015). The engineering dates back to the late '00s. By 2011 they had already secretly slipped aluminum body trucks into some customer fleets so they could track real-world durability. Lightning was not a thing back then and then-CEO Alan Mulally who was the driving force behind the aluminum body was not a big EV fan. As late as 2018 (a retired) Mulally was talking about "$70k batteries in $120k cars".
 
From Bloomberg.

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The Plug & Charge standard hoped to bring Tesla style charging to the masses - where you just drive up and pug in to charge your car. But it failed to become popular enough.

A new standard called Autocharge is being developed for cars with CCS plugs but this one is being sabotaged by Volkswagen:

Autocharge will work on almost all cars with CCS connector. Dutch Fastned has already activated Autocharge, and the Norwegian charging operator Mer has concrete plans to roll it out in the coming months. However, one of the world's largest car manufacturers excels with its absence: Volkswagen.

It boils down to the MAC address the CCS system gives when the car is plugged in. VW cars send a different one every time you plug in.

Source in Norwegian: Teknologien kan gi en Tesla-opplevelse ved ladestasjonen. Men en av verdens største bilprodusenter vil ikke være med
 
Also from the article - Volkswagen may have financial interests in not supporting Autocharge:

The Volkswagen Group is also a co-owner of Hubject - the company that today acts as the central approval player when using Plug & Charge. If Plug & Charge becomes widespread, Hubject can make good money. "There are probably strategic reasons why the Volkswagen Group does not support Autocharge," says Moe.
 
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A new standard called Autocharge is being developed for cars with CCS plugs but this one is being sabotaged by Volkswagen:

AutoCharge is not new. It’s been implemented by Fastned for several years and has not been widely adopted by other charging service providers. It’s advantage is that it can be implemented on most existing CCS cars (but not VWs) since older cars don’t have the crypto hardware needed to implement Plug & Charge.

Plug & Charge has not “failed to become popular enough”. It is supported by VW group, Daimler, Lucid, Rivian, and Ford on their current EVs. Hyundai/Kia has reportedly pledged support soon with a software update to their Ioniq 5 and EV6. It has the advantage of stronger authentication and perhaps better scaleability.