JRP3
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How would he know that?Sandy Munro has said that the bulk of reservations of the CT are people who never owned a truck before.
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How would he know that?Sandy Munro has said that the bulk of reservations of the CT are people who never owned a truck before.
How would he know that?
If robo-taxies ever happen. FSD without a driver could end up being one of those things like fusion power and flying cars, always just around the corner. FSD has been that sort of promise for several years now.
I think regulators will never approve FSD without a driver always watching and able to take over because the software will never be able to handle every edge condition.
The reason nobody will dare to deploy systems for a long while (even if/when technology becomes safer than human drivers) is liability. If there is any accident, lawyers will go after the car manufacturer with huge damage claims, just because the car makers have deep pockets. You can't expect to get many $$$ millions from Joe X driver, but you can from multi-billion $$$ car companies.While I agree FSD isn't nearly as solved as anybody seems to think- and having been in the beta for a while it's not Coming Soon- the regulator bit is 100% a red herring.
It's legal right now in at least half a dozen US states with no additional "approval" needed from anybody. If you had a working RT today you could deploy it TODAY (or in a couple states simply by submitting a form saying you were doing so without needing them to "approve" it).
Nobody has- because nobody has a working one they trust enough to deploy widely like that.
Tesla might be reckless enough to allow FSD on city streets without a driver. The lawsuits after the first accident might be the only thing that could drive the company out of business at this point.
The ambulance chasers are going to swarm all over the first driverless FSD crashes. And the car maker might be liable for pushing out the software without adequate debugging.
Key metric will be when does the CT ramp exceed that of the Lightning and Rivian variants. Any guesses?
I'll say Q4 2023 CT ramp will be >1000/week
So does not making silly slippery slope arguments that intentionally miss the point.
CT is a pretty big jump in size from those vehicles as well as vehicle type. Jeep does sell some pickups but I think a small amount compared to their other vehicles.I do think CT will take more sales from Subaru, Jeep, Audi All Road,
Make your point more clearly then.
CT is a pretty big jump in size from those vehicles as well as vehicle type. Jeep does sell some pickups but I think a small amount compared to their other vehicles.
Quite a few assumptions there, plus most Jeep vehicles aren't very efficient. Sure there will be some converts from the group you mention but I think most will be former truck owners.I think these are the types of folks that appreciate the utility of four wheel drive full size trucks but have up till now refused to buy full size trucks because they are gas guzzlers.
There's already been dozens of driverless accidents among those deploying/testing L4 robotaxis. Nobody's been sued out of business though.
Also, given all available stats show Teslas as the safest vehicles on the road, can you cite what leads you to your "tesla might be reckless enough" conclusion?
I think these are the types of folks that appreciate the utility of four wheel drive full size trucks but have up till now refused to buy full size trucks because they are gas guzzlers. For a combination of environmental/ running cost/image reasons.
Cybertruck will remedy those concerns.
BTW How many people replaced a 195.9" or longer sedan with a first generation Tesla Model S? There were a lot of BMW 3 Series, Honda Civic/Accords, Toyota Corolla/Camry/Prius , Nissan LEAFs and famously Chrysler Minivans.
Quite a few assumptions there, plus most Jeep vehicles aren't very efficient. Sure there will be some converts from the group you mention but I think most will be former truck owners.
I downsized. I went from a Buick Roadmaster to a Model S. The wheelbase is the same and the body width is the same. The Model S is overall shorter.
From a legal liability point of view, there is a massive step from L4 to L5. With L4, there needs to be a driver there watching the car and able to take over if the car does something wrong.
@wdolson had an off by one error...This is flat out false.
L4, by definition, can never require a human to be safe.
And multiple companies are running L4 cars without drivers in them. Today. With public passengers.
Didn't bother addressing the rest of the post since it's entirely based on a false premise.
EDIT- Shout out for the Roadmaster thing though-- used to have a '94 wagon myself... along with a much more highly modified '95 Impala SS.
@wdolson had an off by one error...
L4 should be L3, L5 should be L4
I might be crazy but, I owned a Prius and a LEAF before buying a Model S.I think these are the types of folks that appreciate the utility of four wheel drive full size trucks but have up till now refused to buy full size trucks because they are gas guzzlers. For a combination of environmental/ running cost/image reasons.
Cybertruck will remedy those concerns.
BTW How many people replaced a 195.9" or longer sedan with a first generation Tesla Model S? There were a lot of BMW 3 Series, Honda Civic/Accords, Toyota Corolla/Camry/Prius , Nissan LEAFs and famously Chrysler Minivans.
Back when Tesla commented on such things, Elon never mentioned Buick Roadmaster as one of the top sources of Model S conquest sales.
There are always outliers.
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