Tesla bringing back RADAR?

[Matias]

Why is it 4 years old?

https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=5924387

Edit: link apparently not
working.

it is “test report part 1”

OET List Exhibits Report

apps.fcc.gov

edit number 2; my bad. Report is dated 22-05-13

 

[Tha_Ape]

Apparently Tesla registered a new high-res radar with the FCC.

Looks like it'll have blind spot and rear cross traffic alerts, too!

Tesla Registers High Resolution Radar Unit with FCC, Reveals Filing - TeslaNorth.com

Tesla has registered a new high-resolution radar unit with the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) in the U.S. (via @SawyerMerritt). https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1534274764684111872 The FCC filing was first spotted by @iamkellex and Tesla sleuth @greentheonly. This might mean...

teslanorth.com

 

[Fourdoor]

They register stuff they don't use all the time. For example, it caused speculation a while back when they registered for a LIDAR system.

Personally I think Engineers at Tesla register the stuff they need to make the system work, and then Elon Veto's it due to his obsession with having camera only self driving.

Keith

 

[BMWY]

I mean, I think we all know that "Tesla Vision" was just a ruse / excuse to de-content the car during the part shortage. Now that things are semi-recovering, radar will come back.

 

[Investor9872]

My EDD is Oct - Jan 2023, so hopefully my MYLR will have the radar by then.

 

[MY1stEV]

I saw a post on Twitter by greentheonly speculating this might be the technology behind this new radar...

Arbe Robotics

 

[FlatSix911]

More information found here:

Tesla files to use a new radar and everyone is confused

Tesla has filed to use a new radar in its electric vehicles, and everyone is confused since Elon Musk has...

electrek.co

 

[Bikeman]

My EDD is Oct - Jan 2023, so hopefully my MYLR will have the radar by then.

I'd like that to be true since I'm also on the 2023 waiting list, but this new hi-res RADAR looks to be associated with the Hardware 4 package, which is first rumored to be included with the release of the Cybertruck. I really doubt we'd see this in Y's and 3's for a couple years.

 

[TSLY]

NHTSA's investigation and pending report on Tesla's sudden switch to dedicated Tesla Vision might conceivably mandate a safety recall. If so, I hope the radar is retrofittable.

 

[Mike_TV]

Could be related to FSD HW 4.0, Tesla Bot, dedicated Robotaxi platform, or nothing at all.

 

[nate704]

It is not happening until it is actually happening. Those "patent" rumors turned out to be all false anyway.

 

[2101Guy]

whatever happened to the friggin' LAYZER (said like austin powers) windshield cleaning patent system

 

[nvx1977]

Waymo, Cruise, Zoox, Aurora, Motional, Baidu, Mobileye and others have all solved the sensor fusion challenge.

Do we know if the radar used by the listed companies are better (higher resolution) than Tesla's old radar?

Sensor fusion is much easier when the multiple sensors mostly agree. A high definition radar is going to agree with vision a lot more than a low-res radar. I've seen the visualizations of Tesla's old radar bounceback as the car went under an overpass. It is noisy as hell. How do you fuse garbage data? When can you trust it?

 

[diplomat33]

Do we know if the radar used by the listed companies are better (higher resolution) than Tesla's old radar?

Yes, they use much higher res than Tesla's old radar.

Sensor fusion is much easier when the multiple sensors mostly agree. A high definition radar is going to agree with vision a lot more than a low-res radar. I've seen the visualizations of Tesla's old radar bounceback as the car went under an overpass. It is noisy as hell. How do you fuse garbage data? When can you trust it?

True. I think a big reason Tesla struggled with sensor fusion is because the sensors were low res. Yes, it will be hard to match camera vision with low res radar. But the companies that use sensor fusion, use high res sensors that do match well. What was odd to me is that instead of simply upgrading the radar, like Tesla appears to be doing now, Elon just threw out radar and claimed that sensor fusion is too hard.

 

[Matias]

It is not happening until it is actually happening. Those "patent" rumors turned out to be all false anyway.

It is not a patent.

 

[K1Woods]

Given the higher cost for the HD radar compared to the crap one that has been in the existing fleet, it's likely this unit will be dedicated to the robotaxi model at first.

I believe MobilEye has this approach as well. They have a vision-only offering, as well as a decked-out sensor application.

unlikely, will prb go in the next gen AP with Cybertruck/future cars + new cameras. I don't see anything close to Robotaxi until the commercial fleet has demonstrated FSD performance. I also judge performance/capability/Tesla confidence based on the nag frequency - which is very often right now to the point of annoyance but needed for safety. I think robotaxi will be a thing someday, just not with the current cars.

 

[nvx1977]

unlikely, will prb go in the next gen AP with Cybertruck/future cars + new cameras. I don't see anything close to Robotaxi until the commercial fleet has demonstrated FSD performance. I also judge performance/capability/Tesla confidence based on the nag frequency - which is very often right now to the point of annoyance but needed for safety. I think robotaxi will be a thing someday, just not with the current cars.

I like that possibility too (better hardware for future consumer cars).

Elon did announce a dedicated robotaxi vehicle, anticipated production in 2024, and separate from consumer cars. Now, that could just be for Boring tunnels, but it seems reasonable that the dedicated robotaxi would have better sensors, because cost is less of a hurdle for non-consumer cars.

 

[EVNow]

HW4.

See also the Samsung new cameras news.

 

[K1Woods]

I like that possibility too (better hardware for future consumer cars).

Elon did announce a dedicated robotaxi vehicle, anticipated production in 2024, and separate from consumer cars. Now, that could just be for Boring tunnels, but it seems reasonable that the dedicated robotaxi would have better sensors, because cost is less of a hurdle for non-consumer cars.

That's right he did. Looking forward to the design - could really be interesting. Different then the original lease collected Model 3, Ys robotaxi approach.

 

[Bekanne FL]

If radar is added back, like other Tesla components, can it just be popped in and connected followed by a firmware update?
Thank you