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Gator Rican

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Has basic AP continued to get better over time? I don’t have either AP nor FSD on my 2.5HW 2018 Mid Range. I’m considering the AP at $2k, but was curious if all new updates/fixes are geared towards FSD only and AP is now where it will always remain - which from reading this thread seems like a decent state.
 

Gator Rican

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Nov 5, 2018
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Florida
Has basic AP continued to get better over time? I don’t have either AP nor FSD on my 2.5HW 2018 Mid Range. I’m considering the AP at $2k, but was curious if all new updates/fixes are geared towards FSD only and AP is now where it will always remain - which from reading this thread seems like a decent state.

Also can anyone with basic AP confirm that while the AP is on, the car will come to a complete stop if the car in front of me is stopped, and will resume acceleration once the car in front of me begins to go without the need for me to use either the brake/accelerator pedals?
 

Knightshade

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Jul 31, 2017
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Has basic AP continued to get better over time? I don’t have either AP nor FSD on my 2.5HW 2018 Mid Range. I’m considering the AP at $2k, but was curious if all new updates/fixes are geared towards FSD only and AP is now where it will always remain - which from reading this thread seems like a decent state.


It's not likely to get any new features, but any improvements to the code used in FSD for things like smoothing slowing/accelerating in traffic when following a car- or lane keeping- are likely to filter down (esp on HW3 cars).


And yes it'll slow all the way to 0, and resume to speed, when following another car with no intervention needed by the driver.
 
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alex10115

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I have standar rage model 3. Does any know if I take this deal, and later decide to upgrade my model 3 to sr+ would I still have to pay 3K. Or would the amount be lower since I already have autopilot installed.
 

fritzner

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I have standar rage model 3. Does any know if I take this deal, and later decide to upgrade my model 3 to sr+ would I still have to pay 3K. Or would the amount be lower since I already have autopilot installed.

I've been trying to figure this out for the past week. I'm wondering if the AP discount and the general price reduction of the SR+ has reduced the price to upgrade from an SR to an SR+.
Also trying to figure out if I get AP now, can I later add the other features of the SR+ for a reduced price since I've already paid for AP.

Let me know if you find anything out. I've reached out to 4 Service Centers and did an online chat on Tesla.com with no real answers yet.
 

Knightshade

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I have the M3 LR RWD with EAP. I'm being offered FSD upgrade for $3k. What exactly do I get for the upgrade and is it worthwhile?


You get the HW3 computer swap, and you get the car reacting to stoplights and stopsigns.

And you'll get all future new features, since EAP isn't getting any more.
 

ncrotalus

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Mar 6, 2019
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If FSD is eventually offered as a subscription, how do you all think Tesla would handle those that never upgraded to AP? Charge more per month than those that did get AP?
 

khoon

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Jul 3, 2018
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So, I must be one of the few crazy hold-outs here....I just don't see the value: Active cruise control and self steering (staying in the center of the lane) for $2K. Am I missing something? I thought the car would modulate the speed and control the steering, and follow the Nav directions (including lane change) but I spoke to a Tesla rep today and he said it would only modulate the speed and not take any inputs from the Nav. Is this correct? I would cough up the $2K if there's Nav integration. He also said that AP does not provide Summon. Please correct me if I have this wrong. Thanks in advance.
 

SlimJim

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Jul 25, 2019
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So, I must be one of the few crazy hold-outs here....I just don't see the value: Active cruise control and self steering (staying in the center of the lane) for $2K. Am I missing something? I thought the car would modulate the speed and control the steering, and follow the Nav directions (including lane change) but I spoke to a Tesla rep today and he said it would only modulate the speed and not take any inputs from the Nav. Is this correct? I would cough up the $2K if there's Nav integration. He also said that AP does not provide Summon. Please correct me if I have this wrong. Thanks in advance.
That's the difference between AP and FSD.
AP is just lane keeping and CC that maintains distance with the car in front.
 
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MP3Mike

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So, I must be one of the few crazy hold-outs here....I just don't see the value: Active cruise control and self steering (staying in the center of the lane) for $2K. Am I missing something? I thought the car would modulate the speed and control the steering, and follow the Nav directions (including lane change) but I spoke to a Tesla rep today and he said it would only modulate the speed and not take any inputs from the Nav. Is this correct? I would cough up the $2K if there's Nav integration. He also said that AP does not provide Summon. Please correct me if I have this wrong. Thanks in advance.

Nope, you got it right. You have to buy FSD to get Summon or have it follow navigation directions. Which would require purchasing AP, $2k, and FSD, $7k, for a total of $9k. Of course come Wednesday the price of both goes up $1k/each, so it will cost $11k to upgrade if you pass on the current deal.
 

khoon

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Thanks for the clarification. I think I'm going to pass on this "deal". I'm sure Elon will drop his drawers again soon when he hits a cash crunch. I'm still smarting from the fact that us, first adopters are the ones that Elon shafted the most by charging us full price and then quickly dropping the price, and throwing in AP for free in the newer models. The least he could have done is provide the first adopters with free AP.
 

SlimJim

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Jul 25, 2019
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Thanks for the clarification. I think I'm going to pass on this "deal". I'm sure Elon will drop his drawers again soon when he hits a cash crunch. I'm still smarting from the fact that us, first adopters are the ones that Elon shafted the most by charging us full price and then quickly dropping the price, and throwing in AP for free in the newer models. The least he could have done is provide the first adopters with free AP.
When AP became a standard equipment, the MSRP went up by $2000 for all models. The "sale" is actually just the leveling of the field.
 
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MP3Mike

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I'm sure Elon will drop his drawers again soon when he hits a cash crunch.

I think it is highly unlikely that he will discount it again.

I'm still smarting from the fact that us, first adopters are the ones that Elon shafted the most by charging us full price and then quickly dropping the price, and throwing in AP for free in the newer models. The least he could have done is provide the first adopters with free AP.

No, that isn't what happened. You likely got more federal tax credit than people that bought the cars for less. Also, they didn't add AP for free, they actually raised the price of the car when they made it a standard feature.
 
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TigerNinety

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Jun 22, 2016
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Greetings,

I'm not going to opine on whether these upgrades are “worth it,” that’s going to vary by person. Just a couple of quick comments from a Model S owner of about a month.

I've got FSD, but it’s obvious how much more pleasant even basic AP makes long trips. And, I’m almost looking forward to the return of bumper to bumper traffic in the DC area for how much easier that will be without having to move my foot from accelerator to brake and back all the time.

Navigate on AutoPilot is a bit of a curiosity for now. I’m always studying how the car perceives what to do and when to do it. It’s a bit more distracting for now.

Summon (I’ve tried it twice in empty high school parking lots) is freaky. Your car becomes a ghost car. Maybe I’ll use it someday IRL?

Autoparking is cool, and the car does exceptionally well. Parks better than I can. And, it’s a different kind of freaky, because you’re in the car when it does it.

Todd
 

khoon

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Jul 3, 2018
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Thanks gents for the clarifications and corrections - much appreciated! I see that many ascribe a high value to the AP feature - I like to drive, and retain control. Consequently, I currently don't see much value in the feature and prefer to hold onto my cash
 

coffeemater

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Jun 30, 2020
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California
So the $1k discount expires tonight.

Honestly, I don't really need AP at all. I rarely hit traffic and I only go on 100+ mile trip like 5 times a year.

I'm still considering getting it because it increase resale value to private buyers. I plan to sell my now discontinued metallic silver AWD LR model 3 with 19" sport wheels in 5 years time (purchased 9/2018).

If I invest the $2K now, do you think I will actually get most of the $2k back in the resale value? if so, its a no brainer.
 

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