Europe uses NEDC which is different than EPA-cycle. Numbers have always been different. EPA is more close to the real world. I don't think NEDC number has changed.
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Tesla Email: $30,000 Off P100D!!!!
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I bet on bigger or lighter batteries before an interior refresh. What else is left?
I agree, but I'd bet on a total redesign within another year or two. There are simply too many advantages in production engineering, pack design and so on to wait too long. You'd think they could save 25030% manufacturing costs by a complete redesign. And that ignores performance improvements. After all the S is effectively a ~2010 design, so about time.
Xenoilphobe
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Did they bring back the "+" performance Suspension? That would be worth looking at..
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Not to get off topic but while I'd favor an interior refresh (as many others do) I wonder how likely an exterior redesign would be (if that's included in your "complete redesign")? Seems to me they may consider a complete redesign only once they are able to have a more automated assembly line like the model 3. Just my two cents which is based on nothing.
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That range is computed using the NEDA method, not EPA. They have a different testing methodology. You can get a 100D to go 632 km (392 mi) by going at a speed somewhere between 55 and 60 mph (see the Range Per Charge section of Model S | Tesla).
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I think he meant the Ludicrous + option, not the P85+ suspension.
If they were to bring it back, I suspect it would be with a little fanfare.
Xenoilphobe
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I like the body style and hope they don't screw with it too much, I was more hopefully they would fix the crappy stuff, you know like:
- Update the Navigation with Waze already.
- Fix the multimedia interface add Spotify or a Tesla branded service that is better!!! (I would subscribe to that)
- Upgrade the DAC capable of decoding high-res PCM-based files up to 32-bit/384kHz (Astell and Kern should be the benchmark)
- Allow direct downloads from sites like HDtracks or TIDAL into the multimedia system without any down conversion. (limit to Wifi if it kills the AT&T oversubscribed cell towers)
- Add a Tesla HD radio station that pushes High Resolution content like TIDAL.
- Make the Arachnid forged wheels standard on the P and dump the overweight aluminum wheels over on to the non-P line.
- Fix the fricking cup holders already - if I were a kangaroo or a T-Rex I would love how close they are - but my arms are 34 inches long. not 14 inches long.
- Add a towing capability (I would trade mine in for this alone) - I have toys and kids and I want to tow them with a good looking car - not the midnight drunk hookup between a Dodge Gremlin and the Model S, sorry X owners but the body style just isn't me - my wife called it the freak when she saw it and pushed me for the MB GL.
- Drop XM/Sirius and take their market - their audio quality is so atrocious - it doesn't belong in a Tesla.
- Fix the ridiculous wind noise and work on reducing all sound levels (add noise cancelling just for the electric motors - this would reduce half of your OCD engineering types from coming into service to complain about inverter whine or motor whine -- call this the CWRS: customer whine reduction system!)
- Add door storage capability
- Fix FM so it works more than 3 miles from the transmitting station.
- Bring Leather back - please. (Do I need to eat some more plant eaters to increase production?)
- Look at adding carbon fiber where you can to reduce weight on the P model - not just cosmetic "lipstick" carbon like some vendors here push - but functional stuff like suspension parts that are heavy - half shafts, etc... pick the heaviest part (after the body, battery and motors and carbonize the P model only)
- Add a Lithium low voltage battery or completely eliminate it and slave off the traction battery
- Fix the LED headlights or go full laser for the best illumination system on the market (on the P only)
- Talk to your customers outside of California - have special user groups to help upgrade the next design - outside of the usual Tesla -fanatics who show up to every event.
- Have a owner loyalty program - this would make my 4th Model S... but I'm not buying until some of this stuff is fixed..
- I have over 150,000 miles of experience with Tesla and I want to 1.5 million miles before I leave the planet.
- also I don't care about auto pilot...you can stop development tomorrow and i would still buy this car...
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Xenoilphobe
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Everything at Tesla is with fanfare -- ...."look a Solar PV Shingle"
... Didnt they come out with those 12 years ago?Solar shingle - Wikipedia. BIPV hasnt even started yet - when I can build a house with the whole southern exposure inclusive of the driveway and pool deck/apron, with Solar PV, I will stop yawning..
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if i'd just purchased a 100 prior to the fire sale, I need to wipe my shorts - I'd be so frustrated.
when we bought an S last year, we had to turn around and sell it, as my better ½ decided she needed to be up higher, in the SUV version (sigh). So - just a couple weeks old & under 300 miles - we were barely able to sell it for $20k below what we'd ordered it for. If that were the case this year on a 100? I hate to think what the resale was/is now
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This is the same discount deal we heard about yesterday for inventory cars, right? I didn't see where you can custom order a P100D and get 30K USD off.
Even if I could, doubt it would be worth the insurance penalty.
Edit: rereading the second post etc does look like inventory stated. I'll take the advantages of non-P like insurance savings and something to aspire to!
Even if I could, doubt it would be worth the insurance penalty.
Edit: rereading the second post etc does look like inventory stated. I'll take the advantages of non-P like insurance savings and something to aspire to!
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EV-lutioin
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As I understand it, if you ordered within 30 days of a discount they retroactively apply it. Now if you purchased 31 days ago....if i'd just purchased a 100 prior to the fire sale, I need to wipe my shorts - I'd be so frustrated.
when we bought an S last year, we had to turn around and sell it, as my better ½ decided she needed to be up higher, in the SUV version (sigh). So - just a couple weeks old & under 300 miles - we were barely able to sell it for $20k below what we'd ordered it for. If that were the case this year on a 100? I hate to think what the resale was/is now
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Xenoilphobe
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Me too - I fell for this last year and sold the wife's first generation P85 and picked up a discounted loaded new generation 90D - I should have waited - this time I will. Don't get me wrong the current car is awesome - but with a few tweaks it could be a market dominating machine that sets the standard for all others to follow. Actually pretty much every thing follows this car off the line, but I mean other elements beyond spine crushing acceleration and the silky smooth drivetrain.
I heard about this too. It is based on the "discount" in combination with the residual value. For example a fully loaded Model S P100D custom order would lease for around $2,100 but the same car is between $1,500/$1,600/ month. Model S 100D with the same options would be $100 to $200 more. I feel like there will always be something new from Tesla but if you want to perform his car this seems like a good deal. I just ordered one of the remaining 90D's and was satisfied with the incentives
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