Tesla Energy Plan / Virtual Power Plant (South Australia)

[cafz]

Tesla is now offering a Tesla Energy Plan where you become part of the Tesla Virtual Power Plant in South Australia.

Tesla Energy Plan | Tesla Australia

Join Australia’s Largest Virtual Power Plant. Purpose Built for Powerwall, Learn about the benefits of the Tesla Virtual Power Plant and the Tesla Energy Plan. Access Grid Support Credits. Competitive Time of Use rates and Feed-in-Tariffs.

www.tesla.com

It looks like the Cliffs Notes are:

• Tesla remotely controls your Powerwall charging/discharging as part of the VPP;
• $220 (inc. GST) of "grid support" credits each year, per Powerwall, for being part of the VPP;
• Supply charge 99c/day;
• A Time-Of-Use tariff - Peak (6am-10am & 3pm-1am) 31.13c/kWh, Solar Sponge (10am-3pm) 16.5c/kWh, Off-peak (1am-6am) 21.99c/kWh;
• Solar FIT of 7.5c/kWh for first 1500kWh/month (2.5c/kWh for exports above that);
• You have to have both Solar PV and a Powerwall 2.

"Energy Locals" is the retailer they're using to provide the actual retail services (billing etc).

 

[Vostok]

Tesla is now offering a Tesla Energy Plan where you become part of the Tesla Virtual Power Plant in South Australia.

It looks like the Cliffs Notes are:

• Tesla remotely controls your Powerwall charging/discharging as part of the VPP;
• $220 (inc. GST) of "grid support" credits each year, per Powerwall, for being part of the VPP;
• Supply charge 99c/day;
• A Time-Of-Use tariff - Peak (6am-10am & 3pm-1am) 31.13c/kWh, Solar Sponge (10am-3pm) 16.5c/kWh, Off-peak (1am-6am) 21.99c/kWh;
• Solar FIT of 7.5c/kWh for first 1500kWh/month (2.5c/kWh for exports above that);
• You have to have both Solar PV and a Powerwall 2.

"Energy Locals" is the retailer they're using to provide the actual retail services (billing etc).

Interesting that, based on the pricing, “off peak” is no longer “off peak”.

 

[paulp]

Tesla is now offering a Tesla Energy Plan where you become part of the Tesla Virtual Power Plant in South Australia.

Tesla Energy Plan | Tesla Australia

Join Australia’s Largest Virtual Power Plant. Purpose Built for Powerwall, Learn about the benefits of the Tesla Virtual Power Plant and the Tesla Energy Plan. Access Grid Support Credits. Competitive Time of Use rates and Feed-in-Tariffs.

www.tesla.com

It looks like the Cliffs Notes are:

• Tesla remotely controls your Powerwall charging/discharging as part of the VPP;
• $220 (inc. GST) of "grid support" credits each year, per Powerwall, for being part of the VPP;
• Supply charge 99c/day;
• A Time-Of-Use tariff - Peak (6am-10am & 3pm-1am) 31.13c/kWh, Solar Sponge (10am-3pm) 16.5c/kWh, Off-peak (1am-6am) 21.99c/kWh;
• Solar FIT of 7.5c/kWh for first 1500kWh/month (2.5c/kWh for exports above that);
• You have to have both Solar PV and a Powerwall 2.

"Energy Locals" is the retailer they're using to provide the actual retail services (billing etc).

Thats been available for at least a year. When I ran my spreadsheet on it after the battery install it wasnt the cheapest option. It came in a somewhat distant 3rd. I’m a heavy exporter so the FIT is generally what sets my best option. My exports peak at around 3000kwh per summer month (after filling 3 powerwalls and two cars so any FIT limits have a significant impact on my calculations. The outcome is likely different for others.

 

[moa999]

Certainly unlikely to be good for anyone with an EV and needs to charge it overnight.

 

[cafz]

Interesting that, based on the pricing, “off peak” is no longer “off peak”.

That's a reflection of current reality in the SA electricity market - there's a small dip in demand overnight and a much larger dip during the middle of the day.

(Demand actually rises from 23:30 to 00:00 as all those HWS on fixed timers switch on - they really need to change some of those over to 11am!)

 

[paulp]

And now there is a draft pricing plan (in SA) that will be charging houshold solar exporters a levy for using the network

 

[Wol747]

I'm in a retirement village with some 270 villas: most have solar as standard. We are in the process of going mostly offgrid with a company (Energy Trade) that installs panels over the clubhouses and bowls rinks, and a 1MWhr battery at its own cost, then does all the billing. Daily charge $0.80, electricity bought in $0.20 and sold back to the battery $0.15.
With any luck the development will be substantially self sufficient until be get a big EV presence.

 

[Wol747]

I'm in a retirement village with some 270 villas: most have solar as standard. We are in the process of going mostly offgrid with a company (Energy Trade) that installs panels over the clubhouses and bowls rinks, and a 1MWhr battery at its own cost, then does all the billing. Daily charge $0.80, electricity bought in $0.20 and sold back to the battery $0.15.
With any luck the development will be substantially self sufficient until be get a big EV presence.

I forgot to say - GST is included in those figures.

 

[paulp]

I forgot to say - GST is included in those figures.

3.7kwh per house assuming the battery is full. You sure thats going to work in winter when solar wont fill the battery? Or even summer when half the residents run their aircon all night?

 

[Wol747]

Note I said "mostly off-grid". No, of course it isn't fully free of the grid, but the charging structure considers the bulk buying of grid power when required. The company has quite a few sites.

 

[paulp]

Note I said "mostly off-grid". No, of course it isn't fully free of the grid, but the charging structure considers the bulk buying of grid power when required. The company has quite a few sites.

Apologies I did miss ‘mostly’. Keen to hear how it goes though.

 

[Wol747]

Apologies I did miss ‘mostly’. Keen to hear how it goes though.

So are we.........!

 

[Hairyman]

I see that the new version of the Tesla App has introduced software for those in California to run a VPP. It will be interesting to see how that evolves and spreads.

 

[cafz]

I see that the new version of the Tesla App has introduced software for those in California to run a VPP. It will be interesting to see how that evolves and spreads.

It already supports VPPs (appears as "Grid Services" in the app when you're part of a VPP). Someone I know was being paid $10/kWh to export from their PW this morning...

 

[Hairyman]

Nice one.

 

[EcoCloudIT]

So what’s the latest on this?

Figures Tesla is charging don’t seem to be all the flash hot, I just got the offer from Tesla.



On another note I have just been offered to join the EV Grid Trial that uses Jet Charge Chargemate Wall Charger….does anyone know if that is worthwhile or I’d be better off waiting for Gen2 Tesla Wall Chargers?

Link: Electric Vehicle Trial | EV Grid | Australia

 

[Leeroy]

Is that actually good pricing for SA? Those prices look eye watering! (From locked down Melbourne)

 

[paulp]

Is that actually good pricing for SA? Those prices look eye watering! (From locked down Melbourne)

I couldn’t find the pricing, however tesla use energy locals, who do have extremely competative pricing in SA. Their FIT is a bit low but with battery storage that doesnt concern me so much now.

 

[Leeroy]

It’s the very first post.

• Tesla remotely controls your Powerwall charging/discharging as part of the VPP;
• $220 (inc. GST) of "grid support" credits each year, per Powerwall, for being part of the VPP;
• Supply charge 99c/day;
• A Time-Of-Use tariff - Peak (6am-10am & 3pm-1am) 31.13c/kWh, Solar Sponge (10am-3pm) 16.5c/kWh, Off-peak (1am-6am) 21.99c/kWh;
• Solar FIT of 7.5c/kWh for first 1500kWh/month (2.5c/kWh for exports above that);
• You have to have both Solar PV and a Powerwall 2.

 

[paulp]

It’s the very first post.

Sorry missed that point.
Energy locals SA prices (non tesla) are 29/14/18c. 6.5c. FIT with NO LIMIT. Alternatively 23/14/16 with 82.5c summer demand charge, or alternatively flat rate 25.5c. Flat rate works out best for me with the solar and batteries as I dont really buy power for 9-10 months of the year, and I export a lot in summer so need a no limits FIT plan as this pays my winter bill. Every house is different so I wont make a blanket statement, however when I modelled tesla’s offer a few months ago it wasnt great. My then AGL plan was better. The Energy Locals plan was substantially better than both…but may not be for anyone else.