Tesla Finally Caught on I guess

[KenC]

My Monroney says I have EAP, but I didn't order it, and no, it wasn't active.

 

[DopeGhoti]

If it's on your Moroney, that's what you purchased and are entitled to, regardless of what you paid.

 

[vickh]

If it's on your Moroney, that's what you purchased and are entitled to, regardless of what you paid.

What if you didn't get a Moroney? Does Tesla provide it after the fact?

 

[DopeGhoti]

I think you're required by law to be provided one at time of sale.

 

[vickh]

I think you're required by law to be provided one at time of sale.

yeah it's Tesla though Delivery on 6/30 was a madhouse. I will try emailing them

 

[DopeGhoti]

I just looked it up. 15 USC Chapter 28, Sections 1231-1233 require that a Monroney be affixed to the windscreen or side window of every new vehicle sold, and may only be removed by the consumer. Tesla, unless they have an exemption, may be on the hook for a $1,000 fine per vehicle sold without one.

 

[vickh]

I just looked it up. 15 USC Chapter 28, Sections 1231-1233 require that a Monroney be affixed to the windscreen or side window of every new vehicle sold, and may only be removed by the consumer. Tesla, unless they have an exemption, may be on the hook for a $1,000 fine per vehicle sold without one.

I remember reading a thread about earlier, I'm not the only one. Maybe I should call my OA (who doesn't reply to any of my calls/texts about referrals, maybe they will about this!)

I mentioned it but I didn't push it @ delivery since I was so excited.

 

[insaneoctane]

IIRC Tesla had a heck of a time providing accurate Monroney stickers for awhile in the beginning. Don't know the ramifications to inaccurate ones. Maybe just having one is the risk to Tesla, not having an accurate one?

 

[DopeGhoti]

The law only speaks to the presence, removal, legibility of, and modification of the Monroney label.
15 U.S. Code Chapter 28 - DISCLOSURE OF AUTOMOBILE INFORMATION

 

[vickh]

The law only speaks to the presence, removal, legibility of, and modification of the Monroney label.
15 U.S. Code Chapter 28 - DISCLOSURE OF AUTOMOBILE INFORMATION

but not enforcement of what's on it?

 

[DopeGhoti]

Every manufacturer of new automobiles distributed in commerce shall, prior to the delivery of any new automobile to any dealer, or at or prior to the introduction date of new models delivered to a dealer prior to such introduction date, securely affix to the windshield, or side window of such automobile a label on which such manufacturer shall endorse clearly, distinctly and legibly true and correct entries disclosing the following information concerning such automobile

Emphasis mine.

If the label is present, but not accurate, it is not a label that fulfills the requirement, and therefore

(b)Failure to endorse required label Any manufacturer of automobiles distributed in commerce who willfully fails to endorse clearly, distinctly and legibly any label as required by section 1232 of this title, or who makes a false endorsement of any such label, shall be fined not more than $1,000. Such failure or false endorsement with respect to each automobile shall constitute a separate offense.

"Dealer" is not defined as an auto dealership, but rather

(e) The term “dealer” shall mean any person resident or located in the United States or any Territory thereof or in the District of Columbia engaged in the sale or the distribution of new automobiles to the ultimate purchaser.

 

[KenC]

If it's on your Moroney, that's what you purchased and are entitled to, regardless of what you paid.

So you're saying Tesla owes me EAP even though I didn't buy it.

My Monroney shows EAP:

My Bill of Sale does not:

 

[DopeGhoti]

Interesting. Given that there is a discrepancy between the bill of sale and the Monroney, I would imagine that - given that AP/EAP/FSD are and were software options and not physical equipment, that the BoS would have supremacy.

 

[vickh]

Interesting. Given that there is a discrepancy between the bill of sale and the Monroney, I would imagine that - given that AP/EAP/FSD are and were software options and not physical equipment, that the BoS would have supremacy.

I agree that physical equipment is key here. The law is not up to date with tech/ digital upgrades. I remember a similar situation about dealer installed upgrades which were glued on the sticker as another page ($1000 tint etc.) I refused to pay it at the time.

But Tesla not providing me one is a separate concern. (and I just chatted w/them and they said they'd ask the delivery center)

 

[Knightshade]

I think you're required by law to be provided one at time of sale.

Not only that- required to still be on the car window.

$1000 per violation.

When I picked mine up in 2018 every single model 3 I saw had had theirs (illegally) removed- (and most including mine weren't accurate anyway) so this appears to be a law nobody cares about enforcing.

Service can print you a "correct" one, and they did when I asked, though it's just printer-paper sized instead of the big new-car size one.