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Tesla finally gets the Model S vehicle and option lineup right!

Discussion in 'Model S: Ordering, Production, Delivery' started by ToddRLockwood, Apr 9, 2015.

  1. ToddRLockwood

    ToddRLockwood Active Member

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    There's a good deal to be pleased about with Tesla's new vehicle and option lineup. Many original P85 owners had been scratching their heads when looking at the options for a Model S replacement. When the D series cars came out last fall, Tesla eliminated the P85 and thereby created a performance gap in their product line. There were essentially two choices for P85 owners looking to upgrade to a newer car with Autopilot and other new capabilities:

    • Trade up to a P85D, a model which cost $20K more than the P85, and take a ~$25K hit on resale of your P85.

    • Trade down to a 85D, with a 0-60 time of 5.2 seconds vs. 4.2 for the original P85. Or, trade to a RWD 85 with a 0-60 time of 5.4 seconds.

    When faced with this choice, many P85 owners said they would likely replace their P85 with another used P85 if their car was damaged beyond repair.

    With this week's product revamp, Tesla has increased the performance of the 85D to 0-60 in 4.4 seconds. This puts it in the same league as the P85, plus it has All Wheel Drive. The price for a fully loaded 85D is only $5K more than a fully loaded P85 was in 2013. That's more like it. Some of us would still like to see the return of the P85, but at least there's a model with similar performance at a similar price.

    Tesla has also reworked and simplified the options. For one thing, they bundled the LED Interior Accent Lighting with the Premium Package. Previously, the LED Interior Accent Lighting had been bundled with a deluxe leather interior option that few people wanted. In fact, that deluxe leather option has been eliminated. (Leather seats are still available, of course.)

    There are also several new paint colors—two of which are actual colors, not further iterations of black. The new Warm Silver is quite stunning.

    There is no mention on Tesla's web site about the suspension used in the various models. Previously, the P85D was said to have a "more advanced" suspension than the other models. Now I wonder if that is still the case. For assembly line efficiency, it would certainly make sense to standardize the suspension parts—leaving only the choice between standard and air suspension.

    Overall, I think Tesla is to be commended for these recent changes. The vehicle lineup now covers all the bases.
     
  2. Rama

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    Don't forget the change at the "low" end of the spectrum. Take my example. I had a order in for a S60. I had to add supercharger and tech pack. My Tesla rep called me and told me to consider switching to the 70D. By switching to a 70D and removing the Autopilot convenience features look what I got:

    Got:
    Dual Motor All-wheel drive
    32 more miles of range: 208 miles Vs. 240 Miles
    Quicker 0-60: 5.2 sec Vs. 5.5 sec
    Faster top speed: 140 mph Vs. 121 mph (probably the most irrelevant change, good only for bragging rights)
    Better warranty 8 year infinite mile Vs. 8 year 125,000 mile
    an extra $1,150 in my pocket

    Gave up:
    51 hp (very misleading, as the 70D is faster even with less power)
    Autopilot convenience features: 1. Traffic-aware cruise control
    2. Lane keeping with automatic steering
    3. Self-parking
    4. Automatic high/low beam headlights
    Power liftgate
    Lighted door handles
    LED fog and cornering lights

    Can you guess what I went with?
     
  3. TexasEV

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    It also makes sense that Tesla discontinued the tech package. It's the techiest car in the world, so it shouldn't have been introduced with a "tech package" that really wasn't optional if you wanted all the features of the car, and almost everyone ordered it. I think that was just to keep the announced price down when the car came out, especially to try to keep the 40 kWh base car under $50,000 as promised. I'm glad they eliminated the tech package and made navigation, etc. standard. My only complaint is putting the power liftgate into a premium package for $5000, as others have mentioned.
     
  4. yobigd20

    yobigd20 Well-Known Member

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    except for the premium package which is the biggest waste of $5k ever. worst option. huge discussion in separate threads about this.
     
  5. Gizmotoy

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    Right. I find it pretty hard to agree they got the packages right when they bundled the power liftgate, an extremely popular feature, with a bunch of poorly-selling options for $5k. I get why they did it, but I'd be a little cranky about it if I were buying one today.

    Closer, but not quite there. An improvement from where we were, in any case.
     
  6. S2X

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    Wow you got lucky. I read in another post someone got their 60 deliver 2 days before the line up change.
     
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    I think the deluxe leather is still there, but simply referred to as "better quality materials", which my product specialist told me means leather accents replacing synthetic leather on arm rests and such.
     
  8. Rama

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    Very lucky. My order finalized the day of the 70D announcement. Which means I'll be one of the first people to take delivery!:smile:
     
  9. Terra117

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    I've never been a fan of packages and bundling. I'm more of an anti-fan.

    If Tesla wanted to set itself apart as revolutionary, very different from the ICE experience, they would have done away with option packages, bundling and prerequisite package/options.

    Quite plainly, give the customer exactly what they want, no more, no less.

    Charge whatever it takes to tailor every aspect of the vehicle to every customer, including a decent profit.

    With the simplified platform of a 100% EV and the highly modular nature of the Model S, this would be far more cost effective to do than in a traditional ICE vehicle.
     
  10. FlasherZ

    FlasherZ Sig Model S + Sig Model X + Model 3 Resv

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    I can appreciate the desire of the consumer. However, supply chain / manufacturing is a very expensive part of the business. I think that Tesla has found out over the past couple of years that its initial cut at features and options being more a la carte was an incredibly expensive model, and that things like moving the dual charger to a service-installed option streamlines it to maintain price competitiveness with the expected margin returns.

    I, too, believe they're getting closer to the best lineup of options and packages, perhaps with the power liftgate problem.
     
  11. tga

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    Is this true? The "Premium Interior and Lighting" package lists "Nappa leather armrests and dashboard" - wasn't that all the deluxe leather is/was?

    I hadn't looked at the 85D in this light. I think Todd's right, this really as a sweet spot. Dare I say, 4.4 0-60 is "fast enough". Maybe I'm getting mature in my old age, but I don't really need insane mode for an extra $20k.
     
  12. neroden

    neroden Happy Model S Owner

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    Apart from the Alcantara bundling fiasco, it is a pretty good lineup. The option package with the power liftgate, foglights, and cornering lights needs to NOT REQUIRE Alcantara; cloth should be an available option. Then they'd have a good lineup.
     
  13. nanimac

    nanimac Aloha!

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    +1 :smile:
     

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