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Tesla head on collision with a Honda

markwj

Moderator, Asia Pacific
Apr 10, 2011
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1,180
Hong Kong
If tailgated and trapped I will slow down like Mark but also quickly speed up. Driving erratically frustrates the tailgater mentality even more than just slowing.

If it's a truck, I wait for a hill and then do exactly that. Solves the safety issue, and is very satisfying.
 

Iz

EVs are here to stay
Nov 22, 2006
1,080
22
New York
Half the front of the S is gone. My thoughts and prayers go out to those involved and their families. Very sad.
 

mknox

Well-Known Member
Aug 7, 2012
10,103
1,866
Toronto, ON
Half the front of the S is gone. My thoughts and prayers go out to those involved and their families. Very sad.

It's not gone, it's crumpled in, doing it's job to absorb the impact energy. Pretty impressive for an offset frontal impact, I'd say.
 

Martini

Member
Nov 16, 2012
204
2
Paris, France, France
My BMW M3 was vandalized years ago by somebody throwing a coffee cup at the car while it was parked. The cup went through the driver's window (smashing it), and continued on to crack my windshield. So, yeah, if somebody threw one at me while driving, I'd probably flinch. I'm sure we'll learn more soonish.

Crikey, what do they make coffee cups out of in San Francisco? Rocks?
 

Rodolfo Paiz

Fidelius Family Office
Nov 19, 2012
788
108
Miami, FL
This is a tragedy, as all such accidents are. I admit, however, to drawing some solace from seeing just how well-designed and -built the Model S really is.
 

jeff_adams

Member
Mar 18, 2013
618
2
Monterey
This is a tragedy, as all such accidents are. I admit, however, to drawing some solace from seeing just how well-designed and -built the Model S really is.

It's just one horrific accident, but the car performed as promised by Elon. Judging by the skid marks, it looks like the MS had enough control after the impact to steer out of the road and park against the guardrail. Usually cars "bounce" off of each other and you would expect to find the MS disabled in the road way. It looks like the car was drivable enough for it to be "parked" out of traffic and away from the impact scene. The hood was pushed up and the driver may not have been able to see out of the windshield after impact. That would explain why he headed over to the guardrail. It would have been a visual reference out the side window and allow him to get out of the way of a second accident.

One of the most dangerous things about a frontal impact in an ICE is the fact that the heavy motor can be pushed back through the firewall into the cabin. With the Tesla's "frunk", there is no danger of that.
 

MikeK

R#129, TSLA shareholder
Jun 29, 2012
1,133
1
San Francisco Bay Area
It's just one horrific accident, but the car performed as promised by Elon. Judging by the skid marks, it looks like the MS had enough control after the impact to steer out of the road and park against the guardrail.

I don't think so. If you look near the S, the guard rail is obviously damaged. I think it's far more likely that the crash caused the S to skid into the guard rail. If you consider the screen snaps from the video, that left front corner is pretty smashed in. No way that wheel could still steer. I wouldn't be surprised if it was simply crushed within the body work, therefore not turning and dragging the car off to the left until it hit the rail.

It does seem as if the car protected its driver very well, though.
 

UMD86

Member
Oct 20, 2012
269
1
USA
It's just one horrific accident, but the car performed as promised by Elon. Judging by the skid marks, it looks like the MS had enough control after the impact to steer out of the road and park against the guardrail. Usually cars "bounce" off of each other and you would expect to find the MS disabled in the road way. It looks like the car was drivable enough for it to be "parked" out of traffic and away from the impact scene. The hood was pushed up and the driver may not have been able to see out of the windshield after impact. That would explain why he headed over to the guardrail. It would have been a visual reference out the side window and allow him to get out of the way of a second accident.

One of the most dangerous things about a frontal impact in an ICE is the fact that the heavy motor can be pushed back through the firewall into the cabin. With the Tesla's "frunk", there is no danger of that.

>>One of the most dangerous things about a frontal impact in an ICE is the fact that the heavy motor can be pushed back through the firewall into the cabin. With the Tesla's "frunk", there is no danger of that.<<

Most of the newer car engines DROP when there's frontal impact to avoid that problem.
 

MikeK

R#129, TSLA shareholder
Jun 29, 2012
1,133
1
San Francisco Bay Area
Several folks have speculated that the S was perhaps driving between the double yellow lines, but got to a point where that center divider went away, and that it therefore ended up in oncoming traffic.

Looking at the ABC 7 video that was linked earlier, I'm not convinced that's the case. Have a look at this frame. It looks to me as if the accident occurred where there was still a lot of space between the double lines. Perhaps we'll learn more once we learn the role of the reported third car.

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mitch672

Active Member
Jul 1, 2012
1,861
13
Stoughton, MA
This is all very very sad. Looks like this could be the first "totaled" Model S. I wonder if Tesla will buy it from the insurance company for further crash analysis of the body, and to see how the battery pack held up under such a violent crash.
 

Yggdrasill

Active Member
Feb 29, 2012
4,107
7,107
Kongsberg, Norway
The posted image suggests the Honda was thrown more or less 90 degrees out from the collision point, while the Model S skidded right, then left, and ended up in the guard rail.

This fits with the Honda being a significantly lighter vehicle, and it's fairly easy to se it must have been a very violent impact. The Honda seems to have gone from 50 mph (?) to 0 mph in no time at all while simultaneously rotating several times before coming to a rest. To do that damage the Model S must have been going quite fast. Also, there are no apparent skid marks before the point of collision from either vehicle, which suggests it happened quite suddenly.

Edit: Also, there is a gentle curve to the road, which suggests the Model S should have turned but went straight. This suggests the driver was distracted. Perhaps looking to the right at a Mercedes?
 
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Velo1

Member
I get uneasy every time I comeback to read more about this tragic accident. I am guilty of taking off from the pole position at a light, but I always look left and right before moving, and then far down the road ahead, which I convinced myself was not that risky. I will temper my testosterone from now on, as I couldn't live with myself if i was partly the cause of something like this. God bless them all.
 

Sancann

Member
Dec 21, 2012
32
0
San Marcos, CA
I would think at this point his attorney has advised him not to say a word. There will be lawsuits at the least and possible criminal charges. The less he says the better off he will be at this point.
 

TEG

Teslafanatic
Aug 20, 2006
21,719
8,690
If tailgated and trapped I will slow down like Mark but also quickly speed up. Driving erratically frustrates the tailgater mentality even more than just slowing.
If someone is tailgating me, I take that opportunity to wash my windshield with the squirters. The car on my tail generally backs away because they don't like getting blasted with dirty windshield washer fluid spraying back from my car.
 

mknox

Well-Known Member
Aug 7, 2012
10,103
1,866
Toronto, ON
If someone is tailgating me, I take that opportunity to wash my windshield with the squirters. The car on my tail generally backs away because they don't like getting blasted with dirty windshield washer fluid spraying back from my car.

I don't like tapping the brakes, and I always stay to the right if I'm driving slower, but if I'm being tailgated in the winter, I'll move over a bit into the slushy stuff and start kicking up debris. That gets them to back off pretty quick!
 

stopcrazypp

Well-Known Member
Dec 8, 2007
9,875
4,801
I would think at this point his attorney has advised him not to say a word. There will be lawsuits at the least and possible criminal charges. The less he says the better off he will be at this point.
That's what I'm thinking too. Spouting out publicly is probably the worst thing the driver can do at this point.
 

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