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Tesla hurt their own profits by putting wimpy chargers in 3's.

Discussion in 'Model 3' started by timk225, Aug 5, 2017.

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  1. timk225

    timk225 Member

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    Tesla pwned themselves this time. By "saving money" and "cutting costs", they chose to put a weaksauce, slow, wimpy, teeny tiny little 32 amp charger in the base 3, and an ok-but-not-much-better 48 amp in the big battery 3's.

    Every single 3 ever made, big battery or not, should have the full size 72 amp Model S charger, or even the old style 80 amp dual chargers.

    And here is why.

    HPWC sales, $550 each. There is absolutely no reason for 455,000 3 owners to buy an HPWC now, a NEMA 14-50 is enough (Ok, I know the 48 amp charger could use the HPWC a little, but there's not $550 worth of gain).

    So Tesla, are you happy now? I know not everyone would have bought an HPWC for their 3, but if only TEN PERCENT did, that is 25 million in lost sales. You could have had it. You wanted to cheap out on us with pathetic chargers. Good job.
     
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  2. bonnie

    bonnie Oil is for sissies.

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    You realize that most Tesla employees recommend a NEMA 14-50 as adequate? (And speaking from 7 years of experience, a NEMA 14-50 is MORE than adequate. It's what I recommend to everyone.)

    This is not an issue.
     
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  3. boaterva

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    A spare UMC costs the same (about) as an HPWC which can also use any size circuit. It's all about do you want something permanently connected or not and/or do you want to leave the 'included' UMC in the car in case of need or have another one plugged to a 14-50 (the CMC with the 14-50 plug).

    All up to your preferences. Me, I have two HPWCs because they can share one circuit and work with cars with the larger chargers. But your charger(s) may vary.
     
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    From the 4 years of my experience and 80k miles of driving Tesla MS (averaging 20k miles per year, so way more than average), Nema 14-50 is all one needs for home charging. The OP is hyperventilating over something that it is not an issue at all.
     
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    Timk225, after Tesla staff reads your post I'll bet they will really feel dumb. They should hire you and pay you big bucks.
     
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    do you actually own a tesla? of is this just ill informed hyperbole?

    a good many of the model S on the road do NOT have 80 amp chargers, myself included. for most needs this is adequate, as for base model 3, I'm willing to bet that not too many of those will be built or sold.
     
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  7. timk225

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    They should. I've pointed out several major problems in the 3 design and offered ways to correct them, but they aren't listening to me here on the forums.

    And SO WHAT if the big charger is not absolutely needed? 'MERICA! More bigger better faster just because!!!
     

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    I have two HPWCs but still recommend 14-50s to new owners unless they have a specific need. I am guessing Tesla has 5 year of charging data to determine what folks actually use, so this is probably a pretty safe decision for them. Plus, if someone really needs a 4 hour recharge on a regular basis, it becomes an up sell opportunity to an S or X.
     
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  9. hmcgregoraz

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    Our model x has the 48 amp charger. We charge at 32 amps currently.

    We are starting on some major renovations soon, and plan to install 2 or 3 hpwc, either on dedicated 60amp, or shared 100 amp, plus a 14-50 with j1772.

    Our model 3 will be either option and has no impact on our choice to install hpwc.

    Harry
     
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    Since the Model 3, production cost is more of an issue (with Tesla anyway), I see this decision as a move to keep the MSRP low.

    I suppose that the "next model year" Model 3 could get an upgrade to a 40, 50, 1000 (whatever) amp charger, or maybe offer it as an option, once Tesla decides to go hog-wild with the options list.

    - - -
    And as long as I'm at it, I'm sure that there is a l-o-n-g list of goodies that people will consider must-haves, but aren't available right now. But that doesn't mean that the future won't bring more colors, fancy wheels, sunroof, more cup holders, and 8-track tape deck.

    -- Ardie
    Buying a 150 amp Hi-Power Wall Charger ain't gonna be cheap, either.
     
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    What do you propose Tesla eliminate from the base model 3 in order to install a more expensive 72A charger and still keep the price at $35,000?

    By the way I have never needed faster home charging than my 14-50 provides. People installling HPWCs at home are almost always doing it for looks or for a misguided notion that they always need to have the UMC with them in the car, not for faster home charging.
     
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  12. David-El

    David-El Model S - P3078

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    My thought reading the title.

    lol wut?
     
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  13. mspohr

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    I always charge my S at 32 amps from a 14-50.
    No need for anything else.
     
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  14. shrspeedblade

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    If one comes home with a low battery and then needs a quick turnaround for a long drive, you could always just charge enough to get you to the nearest supercharger near the route, then top off quickly from there. In the long run it would probably be faster than trying to charge all the way up at home even with the 48amp charger. *shrug*

    I wouldn't complain if all Model 3s had a 72 amp charger, but it's clearly understandable (they need to make money on the car to survive) as well as other compromises why they did not.

    You can get some pretty nice CPO Model Ses for nearly the same price now! ;)

    The pitiful 12amp charger in my Volt is sufficient 90% of the time, but if I wanted something to gripe about....
     
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  15. bonnie

    bonnie Oil is for sissies.

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    Just a guess, but I suspect someone at Tesla follows your posts quite closely. #SomeoneHasToDoIt

    :p
     
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    I think they're shill be quite a few bae battery 3's. How it effects super charging, site congestion, etc is a more important question than home charging speed.
     
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    Jason S Model S Sig Perf (P85)

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    I love how the premise is that the 72A charger is the same price as the 32A. SMH
     
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    I think you're very misinformed. the onboard charger is bypassed when supercharging, thanks for playing
     
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  19. Jason S

    Jason S Model S Sig Perf (P85)

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    I think alseTrick is referring to a different subject entirely -- supercharger wait times, congenstion -- and saying even if the OP had a valid point there are bigger things to worry about.
     
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    California is NOT reality. ;)
     
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