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Tesla hurt their own profits by putting wimpy chargers in 3's.

Discussion in 'Model 3' started by timk225, Aug 5, 2017.

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  1. hill

    hill Active Member

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    that's what we are using. The only thing that we wonder about is taking the adapter off & on - frequently installing and removing the adapter. This happens because our junkie 6yr old Leaf needs to be charged every day (sometimes 2X per/day), while the model X typically isn't charged but maybe 2X/week.
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  2. Twiglett

    Twiglett Single pedal driver

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    I was thinking the same thing and have the "nissan" Aerovironment EVSE and was thinking of getting an extra adapter, but I'd still have to manually trigger the charge door.
    BTW - have to give kudos for still having your ancient Leaf :)
     
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    My WC is going right here (the black cable hanging) with a 14-50 going outside (the other black cable).
     
  4. AlanSqB

    AlanSqB Dog Chauffeur

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    Similar scenario to above. Going to have my '15 Leaf and the 3. Thanks to a friendly TMC member, I scored one of the Tesla port fobs that were being made a couple of years ago. Get J1772 adapter to pop charge port door

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    This gives me a "port open" button right on my EVSE. I'm thinking of 3d printing a holder for the adapter to hang on the wall. I don't want to keep putting it in the car and taking it out.
     
  5. gregincal

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    It depends on where you're traveling, but I have brought my UMC a couple time for this reason (other times it would still be much easier to find a J1772 public charger than an RV park).
     
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    Well said. For most people new to battery only cars and considering a model 3 purchase they will need the level of insurance/comfort from at least having the option of speedier home charging (even if like most people say, they don't need it)to avoid the perceived logistics of getting a public top up charge periodically.

    I'm sure it will inevitably be an option Tesla offers for an upsell :)
     
  7. cpa

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    Resurrecting this dead horse:

    When I was researching buying our Tesla in 2014, I was confused by the terminology. I was corrected about the difference between the onboard "chargers" and the EVSE that we used to recharge the battery. English is a language that co-opts nouns into verbs and vice versa. So, according to others, engineers coined the term Electric Vehicle Service Equipment. Scientists back in the day decided to call the device that changes alternating current into direct current as a charger (what happened to the good old term, rectifier? Is there a real difference? I learned as a boy that vacuum tubes in televisions and radios were rectifiers, but I digress.)

    So, we have a noun, charger,(*) which is used to convert AC to DC. We have a verb, charge, that is used to indicate that the storage capacity of a battery is being increased. So far, so good.

    Then Tesla comes along and names its super-fast EVSE a "Supercharger," which is clearly a noun, which then morphs into a verb when we arrive at one and commence Supercharging our car. Never mind that a Supercharger site is comprised of individual chargers in the stack to do the AC-DC conversion. That only adds to the confusion.

    So, at least for me, ambiguity reigns in this nomenclature. Tesla would have been better served by naming their Superchargers something slightly different. Marketing needed to talk to engineering to arrive at a catchy term that would be clear and concise.

    (*) Then there is a homonym for charger: a large plate that sits beneath the smaller plate or bowl at formal dinner settings. When I first mentioned to my wife that we were getting two on board chargers in the Tesla, she too was confused, but not in the electrical sense. True story.
     
  8. kort677

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    don't get hung up on the little things.
     
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  9. jerry33

    jerry33 (S85-3/2/13 traded in) X LR: F2611##-3/27/20

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    The difference between EVSE and charger is the same as the difference between theory and hypothesis. Most people who are not technically inclined use theory and charger regardless of the correct terminology for what they are referring to.

    For the technically inclined, Superchargers and other DC-DC equipment, really are chargers because they bypass the on-board charger and directly charge the batteries.
     
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    This is why diagrams like Range issues - Page 2 - My Nissan Leaf Forum help.

    Also, http://www.sae.org/smartgrid/chargingspeeds.pdf and http://www.sae.org/smartgrid/chargingprimer.pdf make the distinction between an on-board charger used for level 1 and 2 AC charging vs. off-board charger used for DC charging.
     
  11. GoTslaGo

    GoTslaGo Learning Member

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    I will make the assumption that @cpa is a C.P.A.

    In that case being hung up on the little things is his forte, and his job! So, PLEASE, get hung up on the little things! ;)
     
  12. cpa

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    Thank you, Go; correct on all accounts, as it were.
     
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  13. tomas

    tomas Out of warranty...

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    I wish everyone would stop using this thread for general charging discussion. It is a thread that's premise does not need to be bumped... evidence 59 dislikes. Let's let it die!
     
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