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Tesla hurt their own profits by putting wimpy chargers in 3's.

Discussion in 'Model 3' started by timk225, Aug 5, 2017.

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  1. bonnie

    bonnie I play a nice person on twitter.

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    I think @dhanson865 was pointing out that the charger is onboard your car. ClipperCreek, JuiceBox, HPWC? Those are EVSEs (Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment).

    Good article that explains the relationship: What Is EVSE And Why Does Your Electric Car Charger Need It?
     
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  2. az erik

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    6.6KW in the Focus EV as well (I have 2 currently and a single 32a charger, yet I don't have an issue with charging them lol) avg 235KW per mile on both lifetime. I think MT was seeing 260 on the 3 they test drove with 3 people in the car and 19's "loaded". I agree with everyone in this thread about people freaking out about charing, have probably never owned an EV. And the Focus is currently charing at about 25 miles an hour at 32A (Overhead accounted for in that charge time)
     
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    His point is that Clipper Creek sells EVSE's (analogous to a Tesla HPWC). The chargers being discussed are in the car.

    As such, the poster who mentioned the $200 difference in the Clipper Creek EVSE models isn't really making a point germane to this discussion. The components in a charger are significantly more involved than a EVSE.

    EDIT: Bonnie aced me by a hair...
     
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  4. az erik

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    I was looking and looking for one for years, finally gave up once the 3 was announced.
     
  5. GeekGirls

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    Bingo. We've had our S for 4-1/2 years with over 65k miles on it and I would have no problem with the smaller charger on the Model 3. We may get the larger battery but it would be for road trip convenience, not day-to-day charging. I currently have my S set for 30A charging despite having more capacity behind our wall charger, just to minimize our impact on the building when we are charging.
     
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    My point is if Clipper Creek charges $200 more for the higher amperage EVSE, it would not map well to the OP's assertion that it was $20 dollars to do the same for the onboard car charger.
     
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    Funny, but I don't suddenly find myself out of town at a vacation rental on the spur of the moment that often, and I've never had a vacation rental that had a 240 volt socket that I could use if I did. In 4 1/2 years I've never once used my UMC away from home.
     
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    You don't need the Tesla wall charger, the car comes with everything you need to plug into a standard 120 (NEMA 5-15) or 240 (NEMA 14-50) outlet.

    Home charging installation

    NEMA connector - Wikipedia
     
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    Same, I've taken it with me when we've done road trips but never used it. Caveat though, those trips have been in California and you can't swing a cat without hitting a destination charger out here (as well as making PETA very mad).
     
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    Executive Summary: The unfamiliar technology and terminology associated with electric vehicles adds to all the usual motoring metaphors for the fear of impotence.

    Should we bring back the TMC FAQs for Model 3?
     
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  11. Got-EMF

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    Regarding the original topic of Tesla missing the opportunity to sell the HPWC, now that more people can afford multiple EVs, they can use multiple HPWCs to load manage their charging! :D
     
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    Not with only a 32 amp charger.
     
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    Yes. My round trip commute is over 250 miles.
     
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    #114 sorka, Aug 6, 2017
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    You're making asinine statements without knowing anything about my situation. The one day a week that I have to drive to work is hardly committing too much given that 95% of my family lives in the other direction 45 minutes. The reality is that I do FAR less driving now than when I lived and worked in the Bay Area vs now.

    Where I live also affords me a lifestyle that I could never have dreamed of in the Bay Area.

    Why is waiting 2.5 hours to charge nuts? Most here seem to be saying it's fine to have to wait longer. Now if you mean because I'm taking off the same night, 2.5 hours is just about how long it takes for me to deal with the other stuff I have to at home + packing up for the weekend so a faster charge rate wouldn't really get me anything but a 6 hour wait?....now that WOULD be nuts.

    I don't get the slotted screw reference.

    And lastly, where did I imply that overnight charging wouldn't be sufficient for most. I said it would be a non starter for ME.

    That said, I think it's more than you think for anyone who intends to use the 3 as a long distance vehicle. Even if I live near where I worked, there would still be an occasional time where I'd have to charge just before leaving town and I'd either have to wait longer or hit a supercharger on my way out.
     
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    Not following. Not only can I charge at work but there are 5 superchargers along the two routes I can take between work and home.

    The charging at work is fine 95% of the time. Every now and then I end up driving more than just my commute and have to get a little charge from a supercharger on my way home but not usually.
     
  16. Zythryn

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    Sorry if I wasn't clear. Let me rephrase.

    If both sized battery packs had the larger 48A charger, which would you buy.
    If I had a commute like that I would think I would buy the loner ranged vehicle?
     
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    You did NOT seriously ask that question, on this site, with over a hundred posts already on your account.... Srsly dude, google!

    Wow, this topic has grown quickly, even overnight.

    Nice troll! :cool:
     
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    Firstly, my condolences.

    Secondly, I suspect you are one of the subset of folks where the Model 3 specifications is going to be a compromise. A supercharger on the way to your vacation property would do it if you really need the fast turnaround...
     
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    Because as a result of needing quick turnaround charging you said:

    Given that onboard charger size doesn't affect supercharging, I'm unsure if I understand the issue.

    If you have supercharging available to you in those circumstances, why does the on-board charger factor in?
     
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