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Tesla in deal with Daimler (part zwei)

Discussion in 'News' started by doug, May 18, 2009.

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    From the SF Chronicle online article about Tesla's valuation being one half of GM's...

    "It's sort of amusing," remarked Daimler co-founder, Martin Eberhard.

    Congrats Martin!....But that would make you how old?!
     
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    I actually saw that in print this morning.
     
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    Jalopnik - Tesla Motors Is Not Worth One Half Of GM - Tesla Motors
    While basically true (implied value versus market value), I find this post from Jalopnik entirely hypocritical given the Twitter comparison of a few days ago. That comparison has no relevance at all and is only mentioned for "shock value," or more accurately, smirk value.
     
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    From doug's link:

    I have no knowledge about Roadster demand, but this statement probably has some truth to it - but Daimler didn't buy Tesla! They invested in Tesla for the drive train technology. I doubt Daimler cares one way or another the success of the Roadster or the Model S as long as Tesla is able to continue to supply Daimler with components for the future.

    Tesla does not manufacture battery cells. They have said from day 1 that they could move to other chemistries as battery technology improves. This is a very good thing.

    It is true that Tesla is the only company using lithium cobalt. For better and worse they are also the only company who is shipping product right now, and the only company who is touting the range numbers they can. All due to... that old technology lithium cobalt. It is certainly not perfect - but it is reasonably mature, available and has high energy density.

    So either it is bad that they are using lithium cobalt or it is bad that they might move to a different chemistry. Love the logic.

    Edit to add: Actually, does ACP use lithium cobalt in the Mini-E?
     
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    They say 5088 Li-Ion cells in 48 modules. 35kWh. 380V.
    They don't specify cell chemstry but do say:

    That sure sounds like lithium cobalt laptop batteries to me.
     
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    #90 doug, May 24, 2009
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    More Details on Tesla, Daimler EV Collaboration and the Future Roadster - AllCarsElectric.com

    Does this belong in the Bluestar thread? :biggrin:

    Expect an announcement later this year... :smile:
     
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    Where do I sign up to be a beta tester?
     
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    Daimler CEO Dieter Zetsche's plan to fix Mercedes - Jul. 9, 2009
     
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    UPDATE 1-UAE'S Aabar buys 40 pct of Daimler's Tesla stake | Reuters


    Then later:

    German Stocks Advance; Daimler, Commerzbank, Siemens Lead Gains - Bloomberg.com

     
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    #96 TEG, Jul 13, 2009
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    Not an oil company... An investment company... Perhaps they saw the light.
    (Or are hedging their bets).
     
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    If I'm not mixing this up there are several of the Gulf states generating huge surpluses which they are dumping into investment funds, a bit like Norway in that regard. They've used those actively to invest in things not related to oil. Which actually makes lots of sense, they know the oil will run out, and they ARE making a killing (pun intended) with oil, they need to diversify...

    Cobos
     
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    #100 TEG, Jul 13, 2009
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    See also:

    International Petroleum Investment Company - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    AABAR INVESTMENTS PJSC AND THE INTERNATIONAL PETROLEUM INVESTMENT COMPANY ANNOUNCE A STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP AND VISION TO BUILD A PRE-EMINENT GLOBAL INVESTMENT COMPANY
     

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