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Tesla in deal with Daimler (part zwei)

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Jalopnik - Tesla Motors Is Not Worth One Half Of GM - Tesla Motors
In the most ludicrously irrelevant valuation metric ever, Bloomberg's quoting former Tesla Motors CEO Martin Eberhard saying Tesla's worth one half the value of GM. Well, it's actually Tesla's "implied value" versus GM's "market value." Bloomberg, however, seems more interested in the claim's "shock value." We love it. [Bloomberg]
While basically true (implied value versus market value), I find this post from Jalopnik entirely hypocritical given the Twitter comparison of a few days ago. That comparison has no relevance at all and is only mentioned for "shock value," or more accurately, smirk value.
 
From doug's link:

Tesla makes one car, and thinks it might be able to make a second car in three years if all the stars align. Its only product, a $100,000 electric sportscar isn't selling particularly well, we're told. Once Tesla burns through its back order of those Roadsters, the demand picture isn't looking pretty.

I have no knowledge about Roadster demand, but this statement probably has some truth to it - but Daimler didn't buy Tesla! They invested in Tesla for the drive train technology. I doubt Daimler cares one way or another the success of the Roadster or the Model S as long as Tesla is able to continue to supply Daimler with components for the future.

Daimler doesn't even seem to believe in Tesla's battery technology. At the press conference to announce the deal, Elon Musk admitted he wasn't married to his own battery technology.

Tesla is the only company using lithium cobalt technology, which is what is used in laptop batteries. Greentech Media says could they could become an anachronism someday soon. When Tesla developed its batteries, that was cutting edge. Now, it's not.

Tesla does not manufacture battery cells. They have said from day 1 that they could move to other chemistries as battery technology improves. This is a very good thing.

It is true that Tesla is the only company using lithium cobalt. For better and worse they are also the only company who is shipping product right now, and the only company who is touting the range numbers they can. All due to... that old technology lithium cobalt. It is certainly not perfect - but it is reasonably mature, available and has high energy density.

So either it is bad that they are using lithium cobalt or it is bad that they might move to a different chemistry. Love the logic.

Edit to add: Actually, does ACP use lithium cobalt in the Mini-E?
 
Edit to add: Actually, does ACP use lithium cobalt in the Mini-E?

They say 5088 Li-Ion cells in 48 modules. 35kWh. 380V.
They don't specify cell chemstry but do say:
"The energy storage unit's basic components are based on the technological principle that has proven itself in practice in power supplies for mobile phones and portable computers."

That sure sounds like lithium cobalt laptop batteries to me.
 
More Details on Tesla, Daimler EV Collaboration and the Future Roadster - AllCarsElectric.com

Tesla Motors is collaborating with Daimler AG on two affordable EVs planned for production within the next few years. In an interview with Green Car Advisor Tesla CEO, Elon Musk, confirmed that in addition to the previously publicized Smart EV, the two companies have been working on another zero-emissions vehicle for 'everyman.'

Does this belong in the Bluestar thread? :biggrin:

Expect an announcement later this year... :smile:
 
More Details on Tesla, Daimler EV Collaboration and the Future Roadster - AllCarsElectric.com

Tesla Motors is collaborating with Daimler AG on two affordable EVs planned for production within the next few years. In an interview with Green Car Advisor Tesla CEO, Elon Musk, confirmed that in addition to the previously publicized Smart EV, the two companies have been working on another zero-emissions vehicle for 'everyman.'

Does this belong in the Bluestar thread? :biggrin:

Expect an announcement later this year... :smile:

Where do I sign up to be a beta tester?
 
Daimler CEO Dieter Zetsche's plan to fix Mercedes - Jul. 9, 2009
...As for that lithium-ion battery technology, the game plan is for Daimler to quickly become an industry leader. In December, Daimler signed a deal with Germany's Evonik Industries to create a battery joint venture. And one of the purposes of the Tesla deal is to accelerate the rollout of a range of electric cars. Later this year 1,000 Smart cars equipped with Tesla power packs will be let loose on the streets of London in a market test. Tesla's chairman, Elon Musk, says the two companies have worked on the Smart project for more than 18 months and hope it will turn into a large fleet. It is, however, hard to fathom the economics of putting advanced batteries, which now can cost $15,000 each, into a $12,000 car. Musk also hints that Daimler will announce another battery-powered-vehicle program, although he won't give details. "If I were Daimler, I'd have multiple irons in the fire," he says...
 
UPDATE 1-UAE'S Aabar buys 40 pct of Daimler's Tesla stake | Reuters

DUBAI, July 13 (Reuters) - Abu Dhabi-based Aabar Investments (AABAR.AD) has purchased 40 percent of Daimler AG's (DAIGn.DE) stake in electric-car start-up Tesla Motors Inc, with the aim of launching a joint venture, Aabar said on Monday.

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Aabar shares were down 2.8 percent after the statement. Daimler was up 0.74 percent.


Then later:

German Stocks Advance; Daimler, Commerzbank, Siemens Lead Gains - Bloomberg.com

Daimler rallied 6 percent to 25.70 euros. The world’s second-largest maker of luxury cars sold part of its 10 percent stake in electric-car manufacturer Tesla Motors Inc. to Aabar Investments PJSC, bringing its largest shareholder into a venture to develop alternative powering systems.
 
If I'm not mixing this up there are several of the Gulf states generating huge surpluses which they are dumping into investment funds, a bit like Norway in that regard. They've used those actively to invest in things not related to oil. Which actually makes lots of sense, they know the oil will run out, and they ARE making a killing (pun intended) with oil, they need to diversify...

Cobos
 
See also:

International Petroleum Investment Company - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


AABAR INVESTMENTS PJSC AND THE INTERNATIONAL PETROLEUM INVESTMENT COMPANY ANNOUNCE A STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP AND VISION TO BUILD A PRE-EMINENT GLOBAL INVESTMENT COMPANY
...Aabar and IPIC will combine their deal sourcing capabilities to invest the Company's substantial financial resources in a portfolio of high-quality operating assets with an attractive return profile. Aabar and IPIC will primarily invest in various regional sectors including energy and will also have the ability to harvest value globally...
 
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