Tesla infotainment system upgradeable from MCU1 to MCU2

[whitex]

Eliminate chance of MCU memory chip failure (this will happen with MCU1)

Please don't kid yourself - you are not eliminating the chance of MCU memory failure with MCU2. MCU2 has an emmc which will also fail at some point. It may not be as quickly as the original MCU1, but definitely no longer (likely sooner) than the replacement MCU1 daughterboard you can get now, which has the same emmc chip but MCU1 uses it less than MCU2. Note that even Tesla halved the MCU2 upgrade warranty recently from 4 years/50K miles, to 2 years/25K miles - why do you think that is?

 

[Tesl@ Bargain]

Something else that came to mind:

Can you request to get the replaced MCU1 handed out or will the SeC keep it?

 

[Shateam]

Please don't kid yourself - you are not eliminating the chance of MCU memory failure with MCU2. MCU2 has an emmc which will also fail at some point.

I thought @verygreen calculated that the memory capacity in the MCU2 chip would far outlast the useful life of the car?

 

[Plasmid_Boy]

Something else that came to mind:

Can you request to get the replaced MCU1 handed out or will the SeC keep it?

I asked them the same question. They said that I can keep the old MCU1 for $1500. I declined the offer

 

[domodan]

Losing AM and FM radio sucks. I spend a decent amount of time in areas where the car gets little or no cell signal and the streaming services struggle. Having access to the radio is important to me.

 

[Dreamontom99]

Getting FSD HW3 and Infotainment upgrade on my 2016 MS P100D. Started yesterday at Costa Mesa SC and they told me it was to be done by 5pm, which I did not expect to happen. Hoping to get back tonight by 5pm and will update. Funny thing is I got a text saying the hw has been installed but the firmware update hasn't been able to sync with new hw, but they are still trying to push it through. hmmm... I should hope so.... ;-)

Day 3 - maybe they will figure out how to d/l the new firmware today

 

[mspohr]

Please don't kid yourself - you are not eliminating the chance of MCU memory failure with MCU2. MCU2 has an emmc which will also fail at some point. It may not be as quickly as the original MCU1, but definitely no longer (likely sooner) than the replacement MCU1 daughterboard you can get now, which has the same emmc chip but MCU1 uses it less than MCU2. Note that even Tesla halved the MCU2 upgrade warranty recently from 4 years/50K miles, to 2 years/25K miles - why do you think that is?

The problem with wear was excessive logging which was fixed last year.

 

[verygreen]

The problem with wear was excessive logging which was fixed last year.

it was not "the problem" just part of the problem. They still write a bunch of junk.

The real fix goes into replacement parts - they upped emmc size from 8G to 64G but continue to only use 8G. This IS the real fix.

 

[viper2ko]

I thought @verygreen calculated that the memory capacity in the MCU2 chip would far outlast the useful life of the car?

IMO i think that calculation is based on the current software. The demands, games, software is only getting more complex and larger. I imagine mcu2 will also run into the same problems as the software becomes more demanding and logs more and more

 

[verygreen]

IMO i think that calculation is based on the current software. The demands, games, software is only getting more complex and larger. I imagine mcu2 will also run into the same problems as the software becomes more demanding and logs more and more

well, while it's hard to know what the future holds, we are still on target even despite the drive getting the full encryption in 2020.20

Power Loss Counter [PWR_LOSS_COUNT]: 0
Data Written 100MB Size Count [WRITE_COUNT_100MB]: 8481
Cumulative Init Count [INIT_COUNT]: 1590
Total SLC block erases [SLC_ERASES_TOTAL]: 8580
Average SLC block erases [SLC_ERASES_AVG]: 451
Minimum SLC block erases [SLC_ERASES_MIN]: 0
Maximum SLC block erases [SLC_ERASES_MAX]: 1058
Total MLC block erases [MLC_ERASES_TOTAL]: 45203
Average MLC block erases [MLC_ERASES_AVG]: 45
Minimum MLC block erases [MLC_ERASES_MIN]: 4
Maximum MLC block erases [MLC_ERASES_MAX]: 81
Spare Blocks Remaining [SPARE_BLOCKS_LEFT]: 199
Runtime Bad Block Count [RT_BAD_BLOCK_COUNT]: 0
Initial Bad Block Count [INIT_BAD_BLOCK_COUNT]: 1

 

[whitex]

I thought @verygreen calculated that the memory capacity in the MCU2 chip would far outlast the useful life of the car?

It depends on how much Tesla throws at it (new logging or data collection features can be added over the air) and environmental factors (park it for few weeks in a desert, emmc likely to fail). But even if it does, you don't need MCU2 to get that emmc chip - the Tegra replacement board (significantly cheaper than the cost of MCU2 upgrade) has the very same chip, and we know MCU1 uses the emmc less, so it will wear it out slower.

 

[whitex]

The problem with wear was excessive logging which was fixed last year.

Logging may have been reduced, but here is still some logging and other wear (OTAs and fleet learning data collection), or else all chips would have stopped wearing out last year and we would not be seeing new failures today.

 

[Dreamontom99]

Day 3 - maybe they will figure out how to d/l the new firmware today

Ok now this is not amusing anymore... SC just texted that they are still trying to have the firmware pushed, techs checking logs and fuses to be sure everything is ok. Anyone have any suggestions???

 

[whitex]

Ok now this is not amusing anymore... SC just texted that they are still trying to have the firmware pushed, techs checking logs and fuses to be sure everything is ok. Anyone have any suggestions???

Welcome to Elon's "best process is no process" methodology. Every update has a chance to turn into an engineering challenge, since the number of production variations is so large there is no way for them to have tested the upgrade on all possible configurations it can go into. One day Elon will learn why the other guys have model years, instead of making production line changes every 2 weeks (something he has proudly spoken of numerous times) and allowing non-standard "creative solutions" on the assembly line just to keep the production going.

 

[Shateam]

well, while it's hard to know what the future holds, we are still on target even despite the drive getting the full encryption in 2020.20

Power Loss Counter [PWR_LOSS_COUNT]: 0
Data Written 100MB Size Count [WRITE_COUNT_100MB]: 8481
Cumulative Init Count [INIT_COUNT]: 1590
Total SLC block erases [SLC_ERASES_TOTAL]: 8580
Average SLC block erases [SLC_ERASES_AVG]: 451
Minimum SLC block erases [SLC_ERASES_MIN]: 0
Maximum SLC block erases [SLC_ERASES_MAX]: 1058
Total MLC block erases [MLC_ERASES_TOTAL]: 45203
Average MLC block erases [MLC_ERASES_AVG]: 45
Minimum MLC block erases [MLC_ERASES_MIN]: 4
Maximum MLC block erases [MLC_ERASES_MAX]: 81
Spare Blocks Remaining [SPARE_BLOCKS_LEFT]: 199
Runtime Bad Block Count [RT_BAD_BLOCK_COUNT]: 0
Initial Bad Block Count [INIT_BAD_BLOCK_COUNT]: 1

can you translate for the uninitiated?

 

[verygreen]

Ok now this is not amusing anymore... SC just texted that they are still trying to have the firmware pushed, techs checking logs and fuses to be sure everything is ok. Anyone have any suggestions???

it's relatively common. Most likely just forgot to set autopilot camera type to RCCC so autopilot unit is unhappy.

 

[Dreamontom99]

it's relatively common. Most likely just forgot to set autopilot camera type to RCCC so autopilot unit is unhappy.

...interesting so just let them figure it out or should I mention this to SC advisor?

 

[verygreen]

...interesting so just let them figure it out or should I mention this to SC advisor?

they are bound to figure it out eventually. It seems everybody hates "know it all" customers that try to offer unsolicited advice anyway.

 

[Gt1948]

All hw3 cars came with mcu2. I can't imagine there is a hw3 mcu2 retrofit other than the few mcu1 owners that got hw3 while waiting for MCU2 which are few.

I was in that boat

 

[rDunivin]

So my original MCU is most definitely showing signs that it’s about to give up.
It’s under warranty, so in theory I could have them swap it out, but has anyone gotten a discount on MCU2 based on having a failed MCU1?