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There are so many disadvantages to the fuel cell but I do not think "waiting 30 minutes for the pump to cool down" is one we can expect to continue.
Surely this can be overcome with parallel pump stations or some heavy-duty cooling schemes.
All the other drawbacks are still valid, yes.
~Larry
I expect that to be solved too, but the other issue is the daily refueling capacities. All of these stations will be limited to X-kg per day (either because of tank capacity or on-site production capability) and this number will be far lower than the pump speeds suggest. 100kg per day stations are quite common and that will service about 20-25 cars a day (assuming 4-5kg per car).
 
I expect that to be solved too, but the other issue is the daily refueling capacities. All of these stations will be limited to X-kg per day (either because of tank capacity or on-site production capability) and this number will be far lower than the pump speeds suggest. 100kg per day stations are quite common and that will service about 20-25 cars a day (assuming 4-5kg per car).

The daily capacity of expensive filling stations is one of the truly crazy aspects of using hydrogen for transportation. What is the infrastructure needs of a station doing 1000 cars per day with fast fills? It must be enormous. Even with improved technology, the physics of pressurization don't change. They are already at 10,000 psi.

The need for batteries to support superchargers is trivial compared to doing hydrogen at high throughput.
 
There are so many disadvantages to the fuel cell but I do not think "waiting 30 minutes for the pump to cool down" is one we can expect to continue.
Surely this can be overcome with parallel pump stations or some heavy-duty cooling schemes.
All the other drawbacks are still valid, yes.
~Larry

Yes, with massive capital investments.

The "it takes 60 minutes to charge at a Supercharger" problem will not continue either.


Tesla will have full nationwide coverage with a one mile per second or 300 miles in 5 minutes charging network that can service 5 million cars before FCEV have a full nationwide coverage service station network that can conveniently service 5 million cars.
 
There are so many disadvantages to the fuel cell but I do not think "waiting 30 minutes for the pump to cool down" is one we can expect to continue.
Surely this can be overcome with parallel pump stations or some heavy-duty cooling schemes.
All the other drawbacks are still valid, yes.
~Larry

Sure, if you double the cost of the charging station, you can only have to wait 15 minutes for one of them to cool down, on average.
 
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Tesla will have full nationwide coverage with a one mile per second or 300 miles in 5 minutes charging network that can service 5 million cars before FCEV have a full nationwide coverage service station network that can conveniently service 5 million cars.

I assume each supercharger station will have a bunker to cower in while that process is underway?
 
The world has been abuzz about the recent Toyota (NYSE: TM) announcement that the company opened up licensing of its 5,680 HFCV patents (although only until 2020.) By taking a page from the Tesla playbook, Toyota is hoping to encourage an ecosystem of fuel cell suppliers and hydrogen fueling stations.

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1) Hydrogen is not an energy source.
Many industry insiders talk about hydrogen as if it were an energy source. For instance, they might compare it with, say, petroleum products like gasoline and diesel, and say that H2 produces no emissions. Hydrogen is not an energy source. It’s an energy carrier. It’s a form of storage. You need primary energy sources like the sun, coal, natural gas, or uranium to generate the power needed to extract Hydrogen from a source material like natural gas or water.
2) Electric Vehicles are at least three times more energy efficient than Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles.
Assuming that at some point fuel-cells will be cheap and Hydrogen production will reach critical mass, it will still be at least three times more expensive to power an HFCV car than an EV. This figure from fuel cell expert Ulf Bossel explains how wasteful an HFCV is compared to electric vehicles. (Source: Why a hydrogen economy doesn't make sense)


3) You need to build a multi-trillion dollar hydrogen delivery infrastructure.
To build a so-called “Hydrogen Economy” you need to build a multi-trillion dollar infrastructure with large factories/refineries, pipelines, trucks, storage facilities, compressors, hydrogen gas stations, and so on. If you haven’t noticed, this mirrors the existing oil & gas infrastructure. (Source: Hydrogen Delivery | Department of Energy)

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Full article at:
http://reneweconomy.com.au/2015/toy...gen-fuel-cell-vehicles-compete-with-evs-60374