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Tesla Lemon Model S owner Rebuttal to Tesla's Blog Post
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Bradleybang
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01-29-2013 #85
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Tesla does not have a choice like GM. Tesla has to update every few weeks or their cars would be in sorry shape. Version 4.2 is the latest Tesla MS release. Tesla has a long way to go and many many releases to come close to the Volt in features.
And a MS does not have front parking sensors. My Volt has them. The front sensors are not even an option on the MS.
Now, I love the MS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want one. So I am not MS bashing, just telling you the way it is.
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There are two things that bother me the most. First, the door handles not presenting is a minor inconvenience. If they don't present, just unlock it with the key. It's such a minor issue yet it seems the door handles are one of his primary complaints. If I remember correctly, the video suggested he was unable to get into his car because the handles would not present.
Second, the lawyer's post focuses on the number of days out of service being over the legal limit set in Wisconsin's lemon law, but how many of these days were caused by the (possibly) self inflicted blown fuses? And how many were for complimentary updates at the customers request/leisure?
As to the lawyer's rebuttal, it is so incredibly sleazy how he suggests Tesla is making unfounded attacks concerning the tampering without directly stating anything. If it weren't true, I would expect a denial, but instead the lawyer uses evasive language.
Second, the lawyer's post focuses on the number of days out of service being over the legal limit set in Wisconsin's lemon law, but how many of these days were caused by the (possibly) self inflicted blown fuses? And how many were for complimentary updates at the customers request/leisure?
As to the lawyer's rebuttal, it is so incredibly sleazy how he suggests Tesla is making unfounded attacks concerning the tampering without directly stating anything. If it weren't true, I would expect a denial, but instead the lawyer uses evasive language.
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I was intrigued by this point so I took a moment to manually inspect the first set of links from OP, all re doors & door handles. (Apologies if I've duplicated the work of others; I haven't yet read through the rest of this thread.)
http://teslaowner.wordpress.com/2013...d-doors-again/
No post connected with OP unless he is using a different handle.
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showt...-handle-design
OP posts 2 of 129 posts.
OP posts, "That is what they have done with my door handles x3."
OP posts, "I have had the exact same experience. All documented by video... [with video citation supplied]"
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showt...le-not-working
No post connected with OP unless he is using a different handle (0 of 30).
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showt...-while-driving
No post connected with OP unless he is using a different handle (0 of 35).
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showt...-ranger-repair
OP posts 1 of 37 posts. OP posts, in its entirety, "How about a post that assumes we can stay on topic?
http://www.edmunds.com/tesla/model-s...t-retract.html
OP appears to post nothing in this cited Edmunds article.
http://www.edmunds.com/tesla/model-s...matically.html
OP appears to post nothing in this cited Edmunds article.
Based on my unscientific sample, I conjecture that most (but not all) of OP's citations are intended to buttress his points but don't actually contain any statements or reports from him of his precise problems. Perhaps OP would benefit from reorganizing his original posting in this thread to clearly distinguish which citations he offers to (a) document his previous reports of problems in this or other forums versus (b) documenting his contention that others have seen problems that he believes he has also encountered.
I was also curious about the poll OP cites contending that, "In a poll, 20% of Tesla owners have had more than three visits." So I followed the link and found this TMC poll:
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showt...-Have-You-Made
While this poll does indeed currently have a 20% rate of "owner had more than three visits", I don't think the poll has any statistical validity. The sample is limited to TMC members and, though we think much of ourselves, at this point we are likely a smallish fraction of the overall Model S and Roadster owner population. Moreover, there's a huge selection bias problem inherent in this poll and even in this community. There's no way to verify that all poll participants are in fact owners. Finally, there's no clear indication of why these visits took place. I think the safest, accurate statement about this poll would be, "20% of the purported owners who took this poll reported three or more visits to a Tesla service center, for unspecified reasons."
I, myself, have visited the Watertown, MA Tesla Service Center more than 3 times. Two of those times were for (a) original delivery and (b) repeat of delivery experience, since I was overwhelmed the first time.
While one or two of my visits were for car servicing, they were visits I would never have bothered to make for ANY of my previous vehicles. Instead, I visited the Tesla SC because it was ***so damned easy & pleasant***. So how does one measure visits due to real pain -- such as the OP may be suffering -- versus visits that somebody like me makes for service-that-I-wouldn't-have-bothered-with-in-lesser-vehicles-from-lesser-companies?Alan
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I wouldn't automatically assume it was "manufactured." I could go down to my car right now, with the key right next to the car, and record a video showing the exact same thing. You're correct that it's not the handles, though. In my case, Tesla thinks RF is interfering with the car's ability to recognize the key (they actually sent a team to my house to figure it out) and unlock via proximity. Supposedly I'll get a better-shielded Body Control Module whenever it's finished to help block the interference, but the SC said only a handful of cars have encountered issues, so I'd think it's probably very low priority. It's an annoying, but minor, issue. Even though it doesn't respond via proximity, I can hit the keyfob button to unlock manually if the car doesn't respond.
Long story short, I wonder if he has problems away from his house. Perhaps there's strong RF there.
In any case, it's 100% suspicious that Tesla's most damning claim went completely ignored in the rebuttal.
- what are the odds of someone getting a lemon from one company last year, followed by one this year ?
- do you consider yourself super-unlucky or super-lucky to get 2 lemons back to back
- which car would you try your luck next year? I recommend Toyota. They have the deepest pockets.
- do you consider yourself super-unlucky or super-lucky to get 2 lemons back to back
- which car would you try your luck next year? I recommend Toyota. They have the deepest pockets.
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AMPd
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Yep, until there's a rebuttal to Tesla's position about fuse tampering I'm not gonna take any of his lemon law complaints at face value.
I've had my car in service 7 or 8 times already to fix various things (about once every other month at this rate), and yet I am still convinced that Tesla has an engineering masterpiece in the Model S.
Some people just like to sue as a hobby I guess... it's not very complementary to one's character...
I've had my car in service 7 or 8 times already to fix various things (about once every other month at this rate), and yet I am still convinced that Tesla has an engineering masterpiece in the Model S.
Some people just like to sue as a hobby I guess... it's not very complementary to one's character...
AMPd
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Yes, it's interesting, including the vids. But I think you and the rest of the world came to different conclusions as to why it's so interesting.
anthony
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Inconsistent much? You are accusing Tesla of an impossible hypocrisy, saying that they knew nothing while saying that they knew.
Anyway, I suggest hiring a lawyer who has a modicum of professionalism, not someone who makes crappy youtube videos with cardboard cutouts. If your complaints are legitimate, then make your case in court.
stopcrazypp
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Yeah, not sure it was wise to ask for an internet judgment of you and expect support. Between your lawyer's ridiculous video, Tesla's blog post, and widespread coverage of both in various auto related outlets, so far the opinion of your lawyer (and by extension, you) is very negative.
Not to defend the OP, but my car, on delivery, had a bad door handle, that would present but would not open consistently. The 3 other doors were fine. It was replaced by the service center and returned to me with the same problem. It was then replaced a 2nd time and now works fine. I do have a video if anyone is interested, as I didn't want the service center to think I was crazy.
The difference was I asked Tesla to fix it and worked the with SC and everyone was completely apologetic, recognized that it was a problem, and took care of it. No lawyers, just some emails and some person to person conversations.
The difference was I asked Tesla to fix it and worked the with SC and everyone was completely apologetic, recognized that it was a problem, and took care of it. No lawyers, just some emails and some person to person conversations.
What kind of lawyer wouldn't warn his client against posting about the lawsuit on an Internet forum, anyway? Or could the OP just not help himself?
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