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Tesla Lent Me a P3D for the Night!

Discussion in 'Model 3: Driving Dynamics' started by Limited, Jul 23, 2018.

  1. Limited

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    Just got done a very unique experience from Tesla and wanted to share my experience with the forums. After going to our service center with a friend to take delivery of a Model S on Sunday, Tesla was able to squeeze me in for a test drive of the Model 3 Performance All Wheel Drive. I was very impressed on the test drive but was later surprised by our Owner Advisor who offered to let me take this unicorn of a car home overnight as an “extended test drive.” THANK YOU Tesla for this amazing experience! My take aways from this 15- hour experience are below. To preface, I am a current Model 3 Long Range Owner (took delivery in early January), have driven pretty much the entire Tesla lineup (including my friend’s SP100DL delivered yesterday) and come from a supercar background as an owner of a 700hp GTR.


    I will start by saying, in my opinion, the P3D is the BEST car on the market today. I may be a little biased as a current model 3 owner, but I already loved the way the drivability of the 3 to begin with. The P3D just takes it to the next level. Also, as a current 3LR owner, many of my comparisons will be made to that inherently.


    Build

    The car I was given was one of two fully loaded, multicoat red, P3D’s available for test drive at the sales center. It has the premium white upgraded interior, performance package with upgraded brakes, 20 inch wheels, carbon rear spoiler, and of course the dual motor performance package.


    Interior

    The white interior really pops. Tesla advertises it as being a very resilient material and easy to clean. To most, it’s a strong contrast to the other black interior pieces in the car, including the black seat belts. I personally like the look of the black interior on a red vehicle, but many people who saw it said it was striking. In comparison to my 3LR black premium seats, myself and three other 3LR owner’s noticed that the white seats felt to have more cushion to them. The owner advisor thought that may be because the test drive car was newer, but each person I talked to sort of said the same thing. They still kept you in place, just felt like they had a little more cushion to them.


    Acceleration

    This car pulls. IMO, it was similar to the P85D I test drove about 2 years ago. Really sticks you in the seat and can even make your neck hurt. No problem slamming your passenger’s head into the headrest with a quick poke at the throttle. It pulls hard off the line, no wheel spin what so ever (this car did NOT have a track mode option that others have posted online). From a butt dyno perspective, the 3.5 sec 0-60 sounds about right. Its no SP100DL from a dig, but its not that far off.


    Handling

    This car handles the twisties like a champ. In my short time with the vehicle, I had the opportunity to take a brief, spirited canyon drive. Obviously not pushing the car to its limits by any means (as this was not my car and have to respect such a beautiful piece of machinery) this car cornered with ease. Less body roll than my 3LR, but still present nonetheless. Tires seem to hold great, turn in was solid, acceleration out of the turns was superb, and stopping was magnificent.


    Brakes

    This car came built with the Performance Package which I confirmed today is required to get the bigger brake set. Yesterday I was told that you could order the P3D with 18 inch wheels and get the big brakes, but it appears the online configurator has changed today, and now lists the brakes as an option only with the 20 inch wheels. The brakes for me are a must, as the stopping power felt >2x that of the 3LR. It stops fast…like hurts you fast. That what you would expect of any modern sports car.


    Drivability

    Overall, I really enjoy driving the car. There was a massive difference in acceleration depending on the SOC. The first car I drove had only ~25% SOC, and when accelerating 40-80 on the freeway, it didn’t feel much different than my 3LR. We later hopped in their other car that had 50% SOC, and wow what a difference. NIGHT AND DAY. Later that night I was able to supercharge it up to full which really unleashed the potential of the P3D. Here, it reminded me a lot of the P85D.


    Subtle Differences to 3LR

    Other than that, the car drove a lot like the 3LR. Not much wind noise noted. Barely any whine from the front motor noticed as well. All the rest of the interior feature were the same (except for the aluminum sport pedals). The pedals were obviously built for the model 3 as I have the model S aluminum pedals on my 3LR and the brake pedal was noticeably narrower (like that of the native model 3 brake pedal). Regeneration with the dual motors may have been stronger than my 3LR but I couldn’t really pinpoint it. At a full charge, it listed 310 miles of range (as compared to my 3LR with 314 miles at full SOC).


    Aesthetics

    Probably my favorite part of the P3D (except for the acceleration and brakes of course) would have to be the dry carbon spoiler that added as part of the performance package. Its clean, and the fitment is fantastic. Its not like the MS spoiler where it sticks to the top of the trunk lid…it actually saddles the edge of the trunk lid. I love it! I pray that Tesla sells this piece as an accessory outside of the Performance Package because I have not seen an aftermarket spoiler that achieves such a clean look. The ride height of the P3D still has at least a “four finger” gap in the wheel wells above the tires despite being slightly lower than the standard 3LR. In comparison, I have the Tsportline springs on my 3LR which achieve a three finger gap while, IMO, making for a slightly softer ride (my 3LR is an earlier production 2017 delivered early January with what has been called the gen 1 spring setup). The ride on the P3D stock springs with 20 inch wheels felt as good if not better than my setup.


    Overall, I loved this car and hope others get to experience it as well. Coming from someone who loves the drivability day-to-day of the Teslas, and loves an occasional canyon run or track day, there isn’t a better car on the market. Again, IMO, this is the best car in Tesla’s lineup today.
     
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  2. MXWing

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    Overnight test drive when everyone else just wants a 5 minute quickie?

    Are you a Kardashian?

    :D
     
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  3. Limited

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    Haha. I am no one special. Just felt honored to be one of the first.
     
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    Fitting username :D
     
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    Awesome thanks for the detailed review! Can you comment on the ride quality of the 20” tires vs 18” if you’ve ridden those? I have a P3 ordered but I’m on the fence between the performance upgrade and its larger brakes and 20” wheels vs regular with its 18” aero wheels.
     
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    I currently have the 18's on my 3 as I wait for my 20 in. Tsportline TST's to arrive. I would say that it is very similar. Not harsh by any means. My wife had a hard time noticing any difference.
     
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  7. Knightshade

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    While I appreciate the detailed review, and it's certainly likely the brakes "feel" different from a RWD 3, the fact is they stop the car in exactly the same distance/time the stock brakes on the RWD do on the same tires.

    Big brakes are useful on a track to resist fade, but they don't stop the car any shorter in normal street use.

    So if the car actually stopped any shorter what you noticed was the sticker tires, not bigger brakes.

    The brakes don't stop the car- the tires do. Swap PS 4S tires on the 18s on a P3 without the upgraded brakes and it'll stop at least as short (possibly better since the 20s have a special not-as-sticky version of the tire made for Tesla).
     
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  8. Limited

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    Few pictures for the P3 fans out there.
     

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  9. mongo

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    Depends how hard you press the pedal...
    I agree, in a wheel lock/ABS situation, the tires are the ultimate limiting factor in braking distance. However, for a person driving normally, the larger brakes (caliper area and distance from pads to hub) will produce more braking force for the same effort (assuming no change to the electronic brake assist).
     
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  10. Knightshade

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    Sure- hence my remark the brakes might well feel different... but unless the driver is significantly disabled as far as leg strength it makes no practical difference to the ability to stop the car in a longer or shorter distance.

    Mainly I was commenting on the claim "the stopping power felt >2x that of the 3LR. It stops fast"

    I don't doubt it may feel different- but feel isn't do.

    in a stop-as-fast-as-possible situation it would stop identically fast to the stock brakes on the same tires.

    So my view is if planning to track the car, the 5k upgrade including the brakes may well be a very worthwhile investment for feel and eventual fade resistance... But for folks planning only street driving but wanting the shortest stops they'd be better served spending 1k on putting even better tires on the 18s than what the 20s come with.
     
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    @Limited,

    OMG.....you’re NOT helping my wait!!! LOVE that review....thank you for the detail and especially the comparison to LR. Cements my decision on what I ordered for sure. Can’t Wait! You’re killing me here!:)

    Ski
     
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  12. Limited

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    @Limited

    Thanks for your review. Man, I sure want those brakes but I'll never track the car. Any more photos of the spoiler? I actually was on the fence about it but that side view has me second guessing myself.
     
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    That white interior is so great.
     
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    How do I get in on this? I need an overnight test drive!
     
  16. Limited

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    @Clubhops10,

    Think these were the best photos I took. My apologies.
     

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  17. mongo

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    I grok :)

    Panic stopping distance would be the same with the same tires, but driving feel can be quite different. The car with performance brakes may very well stop faster (based on same pedal force), up until that friction limit.
    I live on a dirt road in a state with potholes, so the whole big brakes/20" rim option is theoretically anyway ... (Do like the 3 though....)
     
  18. shiz

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    Well, on day to day driving, will the larger brake set up improve braking distance? I am confused. I wouldn’t mind paying for the upgrade, but i’m Reading mixed reviews whether to spend the $5K on bigger brakes, and bigger wheels/improved tires vs getting aftermarket wheels/tires that match the MSM! In line, patiently waiting.
     
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    The bigger brakes will only help for repeated high speed stops like you would experience driving on a racetrack. Unless you drive like a complete maniac (Are police helicopters routinely chasing you?) there won't be any difference on the street. The stickier tires will help it stop faster for sure though.
     
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    Another consideration: I believe if you get the bigger brakes, the standard 18" rims will not fit. Depending on how your roads are, that may be something to factor in...
     
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