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Petrocelli

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As some of you know, I have been annoying everyone on the forum for about two weeks asking for opinions about Tesla. I have received a lot of great advice and I thank you all for taking time out of your day to help me.

I have driven 7 different Mercedes since 1997, and was thinking about getting a Tesla.

Yesterday, I picked up my Mercedes from service, and my salesman (who has now sold me 8 cars) asked to speak with me. I went into talk to him about Teslas and Mercedes. To his credit, he said nothing but good things about Tesla, other than he thought their lease program was pretty dopey.

I had always driven a C 300 sedan. I always wanted a 2 door C 300 Coupe. I could never get one because Mercedes does not generally deal on them. In a post on a Mercedes forum, someone said that those cars generally lease for about $150 a month more than the sedan.

When we started talking about price, the salesman asked the magic question, “If I can get you a good price, will you buy a car today?” I told him OK. He came back with this offer: Pay the same amount ($615 a month), put down $1000 more than last time (a total of $2,400 down), and pay for the last service (about $225), and we have a deal. So we had a deal. Frankly, I can’t believe I got the car at that price. I honestly believe it was the threat of getting a Tesla that got it for me.

I’d thought I’d give you all my reasoning, and try to break down why I got the Mercedes.

1. Customer loyalty: Tesla wins. I know 4 people who have Teslas. Everyone of them says the same thing: “It’s the best car I have ever driven.” Three of them previously owned Mercedes. The partner of the fourth drives a Mercedes, and is getting a Tesla next. One of them had their delivery delayed 8 weeks because, according to a person she spoke with, Tesla hadn’t gotten around to making the red version of her car. Despite the bad service and lame excuse, that person will never drive another brand of car. I am starting to thing there is a sex robot somewhere in the car, or maybe a keg of beer. Or maybe they were brainwashed in Fremont. I don’t know.

2. Cost of Operation: Tesla wins. The cost of fuel would save me about $111.17 a month. But that savings drops to $93.33 if you factor in other costs I would incur, like installing a charger at home, lease return, mileage overage on the Mercedes, etc.

3. Saving the Planet: Tesla wins, and it’s not close. It didn’t come up in my threads, but in the past two weeks, I looked at the Kona EV. But my son drives a Kona, and I thought it was a little weird or us to drive the same car. I looked at the Jaguar too, but it was way, way out of my price range. Nonetheless, my three-year plan is to finish this lease and then go electric. (Other EVs were not big enough to hold my golf clubs, so they were eliminated.)

4. Drivability: Tie. Here’s my analysis: A Tesla drives better at under 50, but if you are on a freeway doing over 50, you probably want the Mercedes. If you are driving at 70 or more, you definitely want the Mercedes.

5. Exterior: Mercedes. The C300 Coupe is a work of art. It looks like a refined muscle car from the 1970s. Now, I grew up in an ethnic neighborhood in Boston. Old guys drove Caddies or Lincolns. Young guys drove muscle cars. (Watch the cars in Good Fellas and you’ll see what I mean.) If you drove a Beetle, you’d certainly be mocked, and maybe get a beating. My dad drove a Mustang, and the C300 Coupe kind of looks a little like that. In contrast, the Tesla was cool when I first saw it. But now that I have seen several hundred of them, they are kind of common. In West Los Angeles. In fact, based on my informal survey, they are more common here than boob jobs, and that’s saying something. (Disclaimer: this is not of scientific survey.)

6. Interior: Mercedes. I know a lot of people complain about the buttons, knobs and switches on the Mercedes. They make it seemed like they were dropped into the cabin of the space shuttle in Florida, and were asked to take a few laps around the equator, and to land that bad boy in California. But if you can afford that car, you probably have the IQ to figure out the buttons in under a month. And I like the luxury. Personally, I don’t like the starkness of the Model 3’s interior. Also, I look at a computer screen almost every waking moment of my life. I don’t like a computer screen on my car. I also don’t like not being able to drive a car, or having to reboot it, if my computer crashes. I worry about computers taking over the world. I’ll be stuck in a Model 3 with the doors locked, and saying, “Open the pod door Hal.”

7. Seats: Mercedes. I always say the seat is the most important part of my car. The C300 wins this by a lot. It has one little adjustment in its seat that’s great: the part of the seat that hits your thigh can be adjusted forward or back, so your legs rest more comfortably. Love this feature.

8. Cabin noise: Mercedes. Not even close.

9. Reliability: Mercedes. If you are leasing a Mercedes, chances are pretty low you will have a major problem in the first 45,000 miles. Tesla is going through growing pains right now. I expect it will grow out of them in 3 years, and that will be the time to buy.

10. Build quality: Mercedes. Not even close. And my car was assembled in Stuttgart, which is the Vatican of Mercedes plants.

11. Service: Mercedes. Not even close. I have had the same salesman since 1997. I have had the same service rep for about 15 years. If I have a problem with anything, I can get it resolved quickly. And they have a Keurig machine and really swell leather chairs with a big screen if you have to wait around. And free popcorn and apples. Sweet.

12. Lease plan: Mercedes. Who the hell has a lease program with no residual? Only Tesla. (Query: no one buys their car off lease, so why not have a residual Mr. Musk?) And why is the lease price on a $39,000 Tesla about the same as a $51,000 Mercedes?

13. Accessibility to charging stations: There are so many Teslas on the road in now, that I have noticed they are now hogging all the charging stations at work. I know people at work who drive plug in hybrids with limited EV capacity, and they used to have free reign of them. Now that the Model 3s have taken over, getting a charge at work is difficult. (And their cars do not have the electric range of a Tesla, so they are kind of pissed off at this recent development.) Hopefully, in 3 years, there will be more charging stations.

Anyway, that’s it. Thanks sincerely for all your help.

Love and kisses,

Petrocelli

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tvad

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Jun 30, 2019
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I agree with your sentiments about build quality, interior quality, cabin noise and seat comfort (although the Model 3 seats aren't bad at all).

Please explain this comment and how you arrived at your conclusion:
"A Tesla drives better at under 50, but if you are on a freeway doing over 50, you probably want the Mercedes. If you are driving at 70 or more, you definitely want the Mercedes."
 

Petrocelli

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Please explain this comment and how you arrived at your conclusion:
"A Tesla drives better at under 50, but if you are on a freeway doing over 50, you probably want the Mercedes. If you are driving at 70 or more, you definitely want the Mercedes."

I understand the Model 3 can get noisy at high speeds.
 

srredbeard

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The Model 3 isn't as quiet at 70 as my Model S but it is quieter than most cars on the road at that speed. It is quiet enough that having a conversation without a problem.
 

RZRZ

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Dec 13, 2018
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Since you don't actually own the car and haven't had a good amount of time driving one I don't see how you can make a comparison.

One major thing you left out is the great stereo and autopilot which are included. Quite a few things are included on Tesla vehicles and either extra or not available on the Mercedes.

You mentioned the cost of the installing the charger for the Tesla but what about the 10k, 20k and 30k service on the Mercedes?

We've had great service with our Tesla's. They also have a Keurig machine, snacks and nice chairs if you actually have the go into a service center however they also offer mobile service. I don't see you factoring this into your comparison at all. If your able to have mobile service this saves a lot of time and hassle with dropping off the car and dealing with a loaner.

We previously had a 2017 Mercedes C350E and although it was nice car we don't miss it at all since we started purchasing Tesla's.
 
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tvad

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You mentioned the cost of the installing the charger for the Tesla but what about the 10k, 20k and 30k service on the Mercedes?
I was concerned about needing to install a home charger, because at our house it was going to be pretty expensive due to necessary electrical upgrades and a long run from the service panel.

We are nearing 8 weeks of ownership, and surprisingly we have only required overnight charging on a standard 110v circuit with the supplied Tesla charging cable. We're fortunate insofar as we rarely require more than 50 miles of range to top off to 90% available range.
 

RZRZ

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We are nearing 8 weeks of ownership, and surprisingly we have only required overnight charging on a standard 110v circuit with the supplied Tesla charging cable. We're fortunate insofar as we rarely require more than 50 miles of range to top off to 90% available range.

If you can inexpensively upgrade one of the plugs to a 120V 20 amp that would help.
 

Petrocelli

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I was concerned about needing to install a home charger, because at our house it was going to be pretty expensive due to necessary electrical upgrades and a long run from the service panel.

We are nearing 8 weeks of ownership, and surprisingly we have only required overnight charging on a standard 110v circuit with the supplied Tesla charging cable. We're fortunate insofar as we rarely require more than 50 miles of range to top off to 90% available range.

The cost of a charger was going to run about $1,600 because we had to upgrade our panel. Also, it would be about 60 feet from the box to the charger, and they would have to do trenching to get there.
 

Petrocelli

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One major thing you left out is the great stereo and autopilot which are included. Quite a few things are included on Tesla vehicles and either extra or not available on the Mercedes.

You mentioned the cost of the installing the charger for the Tesla but what about the 10k, 20k and 30k service on the Mercedes?

I am a music fanatic. I think the stereo on the Mercedes is better than that on the base Model 3. The Mercedes also seems to have better acoustics. (Maybe that's due to the glass roof in the Tesla.) In fairness, though, I only listened to the radio in a Tesla. Spotify may have better sound quality.

The cost of the first three services is included in my payment.
 

RZRZ

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The cost of the first three services is included in my payment.

It's still not something that's included with leasing the vehicle they just added the cost into your monthly payment. This would've covered some of the cost of installing the wall connector. Additionally SCE give you $1000.00 if you lease/purchase a vehicle for more then 30 months.

Quite a few things start adding up when you do a proper comparison but everyones situation is different.
 

Petrocelli

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It's still not something that's included with leasing the vehicle they just added the cost into your monthly payment. This would've covered some of the cost of installing the wall connector. Additionally SCE give you $1000.00 if you lease/purchase a vehicle for more then 30 months.

I know I pay for service somewhere. However, the payment is $615 for the Mercedes (with service), and $595 for the Tesla.

I looked at every possible rebate. I have LADWP, so I wouldn't get a rebate for buying the car, but would get $500 for installing the charger.

I am not eligible for a California rebate of $2,500 because my income is too high.

Bottom line: I calculated very penny in comparing the costs of the two cars. My best estimate is the Tesla saves $93.33 a month.
 

RZRZ

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Bottom line: I calculated very penny in comparing the costs of the two cars. My best estimate is the Tesla saves $93.33 a month.

I would have a hard time making that comparison to the penny you have made after owning the Tesla's. We have put on more miles then I expected since I find excuses to drive the Tesla.
 

tvad

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Commute is 42 miles round trip.

I drive about 16,000 miles a year.

Out of curiosity, why are you interested in this?
At 42 miles/day, provided you have 10 or 11 hours to charge, you could have used the Tesla 110v charger cable. You wouldn’t need to install a home charger. Home charging on 110v yields 4-5 miles per charging hour. We’ve done this now for seven weeks. Never needed to visit a supercharger.
 
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Petrocelli

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At 42 miles/day, provided you have 10 or 11 hours to charge, you could have used the Tesla 110v charger cable. You wouldn’t need to install a home charger. Home charging on 110v yields 4-5 miles per charging hour. We’ve done this now for seven weeks. Never needed to visit a supercharger.

I considered that. I have one client that is 120 miles from my house. I would like to leave for that 240 mile trip with a full battery. And I would not feel comfortable returning without refueling there.

I have thought all this through. (Indeed, many posters correctly claim I have overanalyzed it.) A 240 volt charger is non-negotiable for me.
 
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Lasairfion

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Considering the savings and other relevant information that you posted up, about the only come-back I'd have is on your personal health regards particulate matter from the exhaust. If you don't care about that then I don't see the issue. Enjoy the pretty Merc for the next three years. The Model Y, the Roadster and maybe even the Pickup will be out by then.
 
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