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I disagree based on the fact that Elon Musk said that the Model 3 will have 200 real world miles range. There's no way that Tesla will have a range of less than 200 miles, just to keep the cost down. "You promised a 200 mile range and now it's less than that!" That'd be a PR disaster, and the stock would collapse.I voted the first option, but I do think there is an outside chance that the BASE $35k model 3 might come in less than 200 (similar to the model S release where the 40kw seemed to be there just so they could say you COULD buy one for $49,900).
I am am just trying to manage my expectations this time based on past experience with Tesla (I really thought I was going to be able to buy a $50k-ish 200 mile Model S in the run up to the reveal years ago. Then the actual prices and configurations were released and I was sorely disappointed at how much higher they ended up being).
If they exceed my expectations this time, then that is awesome, I will be very happy.
That characterization does not match the lead up to the Model S concept unveiling, so I think your memory is inaccurate.I voted the first option, but I do think there is an outside chance that the BASE $35k model 3 might come in less than 200 (similar to the model S release where the 40kw seemed to be there just so they could say you COULD buy one for $49,900).
I am am just trying to manage my expectations this time based on past experience with Tesla (I really thought I was going to be able to buy a $50k-ish 200 mile Model S in the run up to the reveal years ago. Then the actual prices and configurations were released and I was sorely disappointed at how much higher they ended up being).
If they exceed my expectations this time, then that is awesome, I will be very happy.
That characterization does not match the lead up to the Model S concept unveiling, so I think your memory is inaccurate.
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I heard a BEV concept car with this design, but don't recall who made the concept car or if it ever made it to production.
You didn't read your actual quote. That says $60,000 and 240 miles, not "$50k-ish 200 mile Model S" as you characterized previously (which would have been a broken promise). And Tesla did match that promise (60kWh pack was $60k after tax credit). So I don't see any evidence supporting your point that Tesla did not match what they indicated leading up to the Model S unveiling.I remember correctly. There were ACTUAL press releases from Tesla in the run up that said things like this:
"Model S is Tesla’s zero-emission, five-passenger luxury sedan powered by a lithium-ion battery pack. It is expected to have a base price of about $60,000 and get about 240 miles per charge with exceptional performance. The first sedans will likely roll off the assembly line in late 2010. " https://web.archive.org/web/20081205105846/http://www.teslamotors.com/media/press_room.php?id=974
(60kWh pack was $60k after tax credit).
You didn't read your actual quote. That says $60,000 and 240 miles, not "$50k-ish 200 mile Model S" as you characterized previously (which would have been a broken promise). And Tesla did match that promise (60kWh pack was $60k after tax credit). So I don't see any evidence supporting your point that Tesla did not match what they indicated leading up to the Model S unveiling.
Elon has been consistently quoted that the Model 3 will get 200 miles in the real world. I thought this was already common knowledge. Others have dug up the links.
$49,900 was the 40kWh ("160 mile" pack). The $60k is referring to the 60kWh ("220/230/240 mile" pack).Was sure it was $49,900 after tax credit? Do I have so bad memory?
Well, look - there were lots and lots of misleading headlines and news articles back then. Things like "Tesla Model S: $50,000 EV sedan seats seven, 300-mile range, 0-60 in 5.5s" from Autoblog, etc etc. It was very easy to come to the conclusion that I might be able to buy a decent range Model S for in the 50k range. Elon said the Model S would be $50,000 himself. Sure, he met that promise at the release, technically. I didn't really consider the 160-mile range S that was $49,900 AFTER tax credits to be in the spirit though. So, sure, no officially broken promises.
Right now, he has promised a Model 3 that will be $35k (clarified later as 1/2 the cost of a Model S) and he has promised a Model 3 that goes 200 miles. But he has NOT promised that those two things will be true on the same car. So I propose that it is POSSIBLE they won't be based on past Tesla history.
Trust me, I will be very happy if the battery does start at 200 miles. That means I might be able to afford a battery upgrade and still end up with a nicely optioned car in the mid-50s
Edit: Found an interview with Musk on NPR that was probably the source of most of the confusion:...
As much as I want to be wrong I feel like the base model will unfortunately come in just shy of 200, probably 180-190.