Tesla Model 3 in Australia

[1st in Line]

1. Well, I suppose my obsession with Tesla originated from my pre-existing obsession with technology. I must admit like many other people here, I was a Tesla fan before I was an EV fan. I find the vehicles compelling in the sense that they are able to achieve a seamless experience between their software and their hardware. Let's not also forget the stomach-churning speed and electric drive. I was always the kid who wanted the latest iPad as a kid and wanted the latest phone as a pre-teen so I'm now into the latest automotive technology. I also have grown to admire Elon Musk and his mission to create a better future.

2. That's why I'm holding out for test drives to become available. Dad likes the sporty European feel of the Accord Euro and hopefully, the Model 3 can offer the same fun drive. If they have no intentions to buy, I'll make sure the test drive is on a special occasion (maybe my birthday) since you can only really take it once.

3. I don't think the climate change thing will work on them but it's worth a shot. I reckon people buy Tesla because they're spectacular cars, the green side of things is a bonus.

rioli

I am your direct opposite (not quite 61 vs your 16, but not far off):

1.) I have never been much of a tech or car guy. Parts of me loathes mobile phones. Before Tesla, a car was a necessary evil to get me from A to B, and I prefer to use public transport whenever it is a viable alternative to driving by car.

2.) I have not been on a test drive, though I once caught a short ride in a Model S when I was in line for registering for the Model 3 in March 2016. I am confident of the merits of the Model 3 based on other peoples' witness.

3.) For me it is actually the climate change thing that makes the most compelling case for getting a Model 3. By buying any new ICE car, you are locking in ~30 years+ of air pollution from burning fossil fuels.

Let's put the cost of climate change aside for a moment (though it is f#%@$ing enormous!).

In the USA about 30,000 deaths per annum are due to air pollution generated from traffic alone (Air pollution in US associated with over 30,000 deaths and reduced life expectancy) and then there are about 37,000 deaths per year from motor vehicle accidents (Motor vehicle fatality rate in U.S. by year - Wikipedia). In Australia traffic air pollution is estimated to have contributed to 1,715 deaths in 2018 (https://www.smh.com.au/national/the-other-deadlier-road-toll-car-pollution-20190128-p50u2h.html).

We have become comfortably numb in our attitude towards vehicular air pollution. We accept our cities being covered by thick brown nitrous oxide gas layers and think nothing of sending our children to walk along busy streets - even though we can smell the toxic fumes that they have to breathe in.

The other major advantage of the Model 3 is that it is "autonomy ready" - this will take care of many of the deaths from traffic accidents. Now, Elon says they could be ready with FSD by 2020. Believe it or not. Yes, Elon has not always made 100% correct predictions about when things will happen, but gee, he has made some extraordinary *sugar* happen (

). So I am betting on FSD to happen with Tesla cars within the next 1-5 years. Again, people are skeptical of Elon's talk of robotaxi fleet and value appreciating cars [with FSD], but once again, if FSD happens - and I think it will - are these not the logical consequences of what will happen next?

What will be the re-sale value of any ICE car, the day after Tesla flicks the switch on FSD? Even if you disagree with my optimistic timeline, do you really think - given current technological rates of progress - that it will take more than 10 to 15 years for level 5 autonomous cars to hit the road? I doubt it.

As a 16 year old, the onus is on you to educate your parents about climate change - you have to wean them off their fossil fuel addiction. This is hard work, as with any addiction, you have to walk them through the five stages of grief (Addiction and the Five Stages of Grief | The Fix).

Once they have moved past their denial, there will be no argument about getting a Model 3.

Good luck!

 

[Renewablekid]

1. Well, I suppose my obsession with Tesla originated from my pre-existing obsession with technology. I must admit like many other people here, I was a Tesla fan before I was an EV fan. I find the vehicles compelling in the sense that they are able to achieve a seamless experience between their software and their hardware. Let's not also forget the stomach-churning speed and electric drive. I was always the kid who wanted the latest iPad as a kid and wanted the latest phone as a pre-teen so I'm now into the latest automotive technology. I also have grown to admire Elon Musk and his mission to create a better future.

2. That's why I'm holding out for test drives to become available. Dad likes the sporty European feel of the Accord Euro and hopefully, the Model 3 can offer the same fun drive. If they have no intentions to buy, I'll make sure the test drive is on a special occasion (maybe my birthday) since you can only really take it once.

3. I don't think the climate change thing will work on them but it's worth a shot. I reckon people buy Tesla because they're spectacular cars, the green side of things is a bonus.

If I may add my 2 cents, I’m in your situation, trying to convince the rents. Showing them that the fuel savings and service costs are enough to pay off the interest on the loan for the difference between two cars (say if they’re planning on buying a car $40k cheaper). Test drive is definitely the way to go.

I’m 17 and have, like most of the males in my extended family, mild Aspergers so I’ve obsessed over Tesla for the last 3 years, constantly refreshing electrek, Twitter, and TSLA every morning. The best path I could work out was go for a computer science degree and hopefully work in AI/Data science on self driving cars/neural nets. Absolutely loving the degree so far.
Get started now in high school, work hard at methods/spec equivalent and physics and with those communication skills you’ll be out of uni with a high paying job you love easily (unless we hit recession). Prices will come down, you’ll be able to afford the car yourself after a few years in the industry.

Use your EV hunger as motivation to work hard and get where you want in life.

 

[stphw]

Berry Supercharger | Tesla Australia

 

[1st in Line]

If I may add my 2 cents, I’m in your situation, trying to convince the rents. Showing them that the fuel savings and service costs are enough to pay off the interest on the loan for the difference between two cars (say if they’re planning on buying a car $40k cheaper). Test drive is definitely the way to go.

I’m 17 and have, like most of the males in my extended family, mild Aspergers so I’ve obsessed over Tesla for the last 3 years, constantly refreshing electrek, Twitter, and TSLA every morning. The best path I could work out was go for a computer science degree and hopefully work in AI/Data science on self driving cars/neural nets. Absolutely loving the degree so far.
Get started now in high school, work hard at methods/spec equivalent and physics and with those communication skills you’ll be out of uni with a high paying job you love easily (unless we hit recession). Prices will come down, you’ll be able to afford the car yourself after a few years in the industry.

Use your EV hunger as motivation to work hard and get where you want in life.

Love your post - you have the wisdom of a person who has seen many more summers than you have!

 

[SaturnV]

Years to go before we get past the marketing definition of Early Adopters for any brand of EVs (with the exception of some Nordic countries). Australia is currently at somewhere near or under 0.2 of 1% EV. There are a number of pre-Tesla EV pioneers too, so I don't think we should get too focused on who got in first, as long as the momentum builds. Kudos to any early pioneers though, who have got the charge points out there, pushed the limits of range anxiety and attracted media and the public's attention.

 

[thomasw]

Nope. Sydney - Still Fri 16th 12pm, Arr.
Dep is Sat 17th 6pm, and goes to Melbourne next Arr 19th, then Adelaide Arr 21st

So do you think that does mean cars destined for Adelaide will be unloaded from that ship in Adelaide?
I had thought they were all coming in to syd/melb and then trained/trucked over here.
I guess if they are in containers they can come off at any port.

 

[Random206]

Sounds like a SE Queensland meetup has the location set.

Just missing one vital thing... A CAR

I'll be organising a SE QLD meetup and cruise within the coming months, so we can arrange to have as many cars as we can.

It'll be happening via my 'Australian Tesla Owners' FB page if everyone wants to go Like it and join the FB Group and Twitter (AusTeslaOwners) while you're at it if you're interested in attending.
I'd really appreciate if you could share it around to get it out there a bit more too.

 

[andygen21]

While we are all here eagerly refreshing the Tesla website, then the forums, then marinetraffic.com, then the twitter feed, then Elon's twitter, then Paul Maric's twitter (in that order) all day, I may as well see what you guys have to say about choosing to order a Model 3.

So here's my position, 16Y.O in Melbourne, obsessed with Tesla, if Tesla did work experience opportunities, I'd be there in a heartbeat. I could probably take on a product specialist in a Tesla knowledge quiz and win.

The family appreciates my enthusiasm to Tesla and my attempts to try to get them to buy one. We've taken a Model X for a day and it was awesome but at 170k, it was never (ever ever) going to happen. So lately, I've been trying to push them towards a Model 3 because 70k is a much better price point.

The most the family has ever spent on a car was a $40k Honda Accord Euro in 2009 which we still have. The mindset is that cars are a waste of money when we could go on a holiday every year or put it into our investments. Since we drive 10,000km a year in each car (Honda and Holden Captiva), the whole "it costs less to run" argument doesn't really work since it only saves a couple grand over 10 years of ownership and doesn't cover that big $30k gap.

My attempts to bring about the technology side of things and self-driving is cool but also not really a big priority. Dad is in his late 40s so he knows how to work around a screen so that's no problem. The main issue is that they seem to believe going to electric would take a weird shift and they would struggle to put themselves into that mindset of plugging in and taking stops whenever we go on a trip. It also doesn't help that the garage power isn't earthed and the car doesn't accept a charge (learnt that the hard way when we had a Model X overnight test drive).

So my questions to you, current reservation and Tesla owners, how would you try to convince someone that Tesla is the only smart option to go for when buying a car? Of course, I'm not going to go to excessive measures to try convince them to buy a Tesla because that would be unfair on them. But how would you justify the price point and guide someone into a Tesla?

I know this may come off as an awkward request that is accompanied by a long story but any help is appreciated.

Quite frankly, i understand your families point of view. At that mileage you will never be able to justify a$70k car monetarily. And again, that mileage means the cumulative co2 emission savings are not that high. If they don't have a passion food the tech like clearly you do, i don't think it's justifiable.
Regarding the holiday vs car cost argument, my wife and i had the same discussion. How can we justify the$30k more from SR+ to P3d when that could get the entire family a couple of kick as holidays? I couldn't!

 

[jaykaye]

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No batemans Bay is a dc fast charger

Thanks for the correction.
I'll be honest. I thought anything that wasn't a supercharger in Australia was a destination charger. This nrma charging network is new to me.

Can I just use it like a normal Tesla charger or do I need to sign up or get a converter or something else?

 

[Togusa09]

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Thanks for the correction.
I'll be honest. I thought anything that wasn't a supercharger in Australia was a destination charger. This nrma charging network is new to me.

Can I just use it like a normal Tesla charger or do I need to sign up or get a converter or something else?

The NRMA chargers are currently free, but at some point they will change so it's paid for non members. The chargers have a CCS2 connector, which is the same as the Model 3 has in Australia.

Most of the charging networks in Australia seem to have CCS2 suppost, so a Model 3 will be able to charge from them without an adapter, although an app may be require for payment with some.

 

[khayyam]

The ChargeNet CCS coverage is now complete in the South Island. They just completed the Franz Joseph 50kW so easy West coast touring
I would have thought the North Island would be even better covered.

Thanks. I had been put off by all the chademo/ccs/adapter discussion earlier, but if I've read this right the m3 can use chargenet without any adapter? Certainly their coverage is good, though I haven't looked in detail at how good the locations are in terms of having something to do while you wait.

 

[freshmax]

Thanks. I had been put off by all the chademo/ccs/adapter discussion earlier, but if I've read this right the m3 can use chargenet without any adapter? Certainly their coverage is good, though I haven't looked in detail at how good the locations are in terms of having something to do while you wait.

Yes all chargenet is now CCS so will plug directly into a Model 3 with no adapter and you will get 50kw charge speed. This is about half the speed of a Supercharger for an SR+ and even less for a LR or Performance. Still an acceptable way to travel the country if you are happy for 30-60min breaks to rejuice and the network coverage is actually quite impressive.

 

[matsoutback]

Quite frankly, i understand your families point of view. At that mileage you will never be able to justify a$70k car monetarily. And again, that mileage means the cumulative co2 emission savings are not that high. If they don't have a passion food the tech like clearly you do, i don't think it's justifiable.
Regarding the holiday vs car cost argument, my wife and i had the same discussion. How can we justify the$30k more from SR+ to P3d when that could get the entire family a couple of kick as holidays? I couldn't!

Except when you've had the holiday, that money is gone. At least when you buy the more expensive car, some of the value still exists as an asset. Don't get me wrong, holidays are great, but funds directed that way are gone forever.

 

[aegidius]

Showing them that the fuel savings and service costs are enough to pay off the interest on the loan for the difference between two cars (say if they’re planning on buying a car $40k cheaper).

40k is a bit of a stretch. 20k certainly is reasonable (based on the fuel savings I'm seeing now) but the other 20 can be rationalised imho by economically intangible factors (EV cool, environmental). Good luck - us oldies are not handing you a good world but it will fall to you guys to improve it.

 

[Blue heaven]

Quite frankly, i understand your families point of view. At that mileage you will never be able to justify a$70k car monetarily. And again, that mileage means the cumulative co2 emission savings are not that high. If they don't have a passion food the tech like clearly you do, i don't think it's justifiable.
Regarding the holiday vs car cost argument, my wife and i had the same discussion. How can we justify the$30k more from SR+ to P3d when that could get the entire family a couple of kick as holidays? I couldn't!

Holidays are then centred around the Tesla, less traveling in fossil fuel burning aircraft, more money spent in Australian regional areas that could well do with the extra cash flow.

*In 2018 6.3 million Australians took overseas holidays spending an average of $4750.

 

[paulp]

rioli

I am your direct opposite (not quite 61 vs your 16, but not far off):

1.) I have never been much of a tech or car guy. Parts of me loathes mobile phones. Before Tesla, a car was a necessary evil to get me from A to B, and I prefer to use public transport whenever it is a viable alternative to driving by car.

2.) I have not been on a test drive, though I once caught a short ride in a Model S when I was in line for registering for the Model 3 in March 2016. I am confident of the merits of the Model 3 based on other peoples' witness.

3.) For me it is actually the climate change thing that makes the most compelling case for getting a Model 3. By buying any new ICE car, you are locking in ~30 years+ of air pollution from burning fossil fuels.

Let's put the cost of climate change aside for a moment (though it is f#%@$ing enormous!).

In the USA about 30,000 deaths per annum are due to air pollution generated from traffic alone (Air pollution in US associated with over 30,000 deaths and reduced life expectancy) and then there are about 37,000 deaths per year from motor vehicle accidents (Motor vehicle fatality rate in U.S. by year - Wikipedia). In Australia traffic air pollution is estimated to have contributed to 1,715 deaths in 2018 (https://www.smh.com.au/national/the-other-deadlier-road-toll-car-pollution-20190128-p50u2h.html).

We have become comfortably numb in our attitude towards vehicular air pollution. We accept our cities being covered by thick brown nitrous oxide gas layers and think nothing of sending our children to walk along busy streets - even though we can smell the toxic fumes that they have to breathe in.

The other major advantage of the Model 3 is that it is "autonomy ready" - this will take care of many of the deaths from traffic accidents. Now, Elon says they could be ready with FSD by 2020. Believe it or not. Yes, Elon has not always made 100% correct predictions about when things will happen, but gee, he has made some extraordinary *sugar* happen (

). So I am betting on FSD to happen with Tesla cars within the next 1-5 years. Again, people are skeptical of Elon's talk of robotaxi fleet and value appreciating cars [with FSD], but once again, if FSD happens - and I think it will - are these not the logical consequences of what will happen next?

What will be the re-sale value of any ICE car, the day after Tesla flicks the switch on FSD? Even if you disagree with my optimistic timeline, do you really think - given current technological rates of progress - that it will take more than 10 to 15 years for level 5 autonomous cars to hit the road? I doubt it.

As a 16 year old, the onus is on you to educate your parents about climate change - you have to wean them off their fossil fuel addiction. This is hard work, as with any addiction, you have to walk them through the five stages of grief (Addiction and the Five Stages of Grief | The Fix).

Once they have moved past their denial, there will be no argument about getting a Model 3.

Good luck!

Yes wouldn’t life be wonderful to own a car that smelt and looked like a capital city taxi. Puke everywhere, filth on the seats, mud on the floor, cut leather.
As for FSD, I recieved tesla ‘autopilot’ 3 years ago now. It was normal cruise control plus lane keeping. Since then all that has been realistically added is limited summon, and some freeway exit feature that we dont yet have. Tesla have said features will be released incrementally. Once they have released the ability to recognise traffic lights, a feature that was imminent 3 years and 2 hardware versions ago, then we can start dreaming autonomous within the decade.
I’m not convinced any tesla currently on the road will ever have full autonomy or be an autonomous taxi, but I am convinced tesla will deliver autonomy first.

 

[Blu Angel]

You will not get anywhere near 145Wh/km I feel.....I am able to get my Model S down to about 145Wh/km but this is 'trying' to get it to this under ideal conditions....I have an average of around the 185Wh/km and if you ask around that is extremely good going for a Model S with 21inch wheels.

I am tipping people's real world average on Model 3's (once the initial I'm going to floor it at every chance wears off) will be around the 190-200Wh/km.

@EcoCloudIT,
I think you're under-estimating the Tesla 3 energy consumption!

My personal Tesla 3 LR RWD data:

Pick-up Date: June 6, 2018
vin #: 22,xxx
18" wheels with aero covers (36,529 km) + 7,852 NO aero covers

Since Summer Tires mounted : 7,852 km, 1,152 kWh, 147 Wh/ km
Since D-Day 2018: (1st Day) : 44,381 km, 7,017 kWh, 158 Wh/ km

Thus, it appears Tesla 3 may be more effIcient than Tesla Model S

 

[paulp]

So do you think that does mean cars destined for Adelaide will be unloaded from that ship in Adelaide?
I had thought they were all coming in to syd/melb and then trained/trucked over here.
I guess if they are in containers they can come off at any port.

Tesla have never unloaded a boat in Adelaide. They dont have the staff or infrastructure here.

 

[retsil]

Holidays are then centred around the Tesla, less traveling in fossil fuel burning aircraft, more money spent in Australian regional areas that could well do with the extra cash flow.

*In 2018 6.3 million Australians took overseas holidays spending an average of $4750.

My Model 3 is my own reward for finally finishing my PhD. I’ve now made a commitment to avoid international travel, more local holidays with family. I would like to avoid international conferences, but it is hard to get motivated to write papers without that face to face contact with potential reviewers.

 

[khayyam]

Yes all chargenet is now CCS so will plug directly into a Model 3 with no adapter and you will get 50kw charge speed. This is about half the speed of a Supercharger for an SR+ and even less for a LR or Performance. Still an acceptable way to travel the country if you are happy for 30-60min breaks to rejuice and the network coverage is actually quite impressive.

Bueno. Trips north of Auckland will be highly chargenet dependent, at least until the whangarei supercharger opens.