I apologize for the long writeup but I though it may be informative to some people contemplating purchasing a Tesla for winter use. Apart from the many Bjorn videos on YouTube I have not found an in-depth review on Tesla Model S for winter use. I live in Montana and we typically drive a lot as distances between towns are far so putting 30+ thousand miles on a car per year is not unusual at all. I typically drive about 3000 miles per month and I do not drive for work.
I purchased a used 2016 Tesla Model S (build date Oct 2016) through Carvana about 1 month ago. I will write up the purchase experience in another post for others considering the same.
I purchased the vehicle with 30k miles on it. First step was putting new snow tires which I did as soon as it was off the delivery truck (on a cold and windy -10 degree night). I had already ordered Michelin X-Ice Xi3 245/45R19 mounted on 19x8.5 Graphite Silver Rial Lugano wheels. The car was literally driven off the delivery truck into my shop and on the lift to get the tires changed out…I have not driven it with the stock wheels/tires yet.
For charging I am using a mix of the 14-50 outlet in my shop, one of three superchargers in the area (Billings, Big Timber, and Bozeman) and the 120V outlet at my second home in Big Sky.
In the one month I have owned it I have put on 2,830 miles. Average energy usage over that time is 386 Wh/mile. It has been a cold February. Temperatures have ranged from -25F to 40F with an average daily temperature in Billings of 8 degrees F.
Most of my driving has been a standard route between my homes in Billings and Big Sky. This is a 198-mile trip. Much of that is on I-90 at about 75 to 85 mph depending on road conditions (speed limit is 80mph on Montana highways) and the winding Canyon Road between Bozeman and Big Sky at typical speeds between 50 and 65 mph. There is no traffic in Montana and cities are small so very little “city driving”. There is significant elevation change throughout my most common route. I have attached elevation chart, started at ~3500 feet ASL and ending at about 7200 feet ASL. Total climb through the trip up to Big Sky Is 8500 feet.
RANGE DISCUSSION
The range of the car has been as expected. The car is officially rated for 294 miles of range. I knew I would not ever make that range as I would be driving in winter with cold outside temperature, the snow tires with poor rolling resistance, high speeds on Montana highways, and elevation changes for my route. I have been pleased but I want more. The range anxiety is too much for me on my 198-mile journey and not wanting to get stuck on cold winter roads. I have made the one-way journey non-stop only once when it was warmer out (about 40 degrees) and I set the cruise control to just under the speed limit at 78mph while on the highway. Other times the trip computer has told me I would have enough range but with less than 10 percent left at my destination and therefore decided to make a stop to recharge.
CHARGING
Living in Montana the supercharger’s are rarely used. Few Teslas. I have only seen another car at a supercharger twice (and I have used the superchargers at least a dozen time since I purchased the vehicle and both those vehicles were from out-of-state. Supercharge in Billings is near I-90 but a little out of the way from the exit with a couple of sit-down restaurants nearby (no fast food). The supercharger in Big Timber is at the infamous “Fort” which is a combination convenience store, liquor store, gun store and gift shop. I would be the only supercharger where you can buy guns and liquor. The Bozeman supercharger is conveniently off the highway at a Hilton Garden Inn near an Old Chicago Pizza, Lowe’s, and Wendy’s. A little bit further walk Starbuck, Ihop, KFC, Olive Garden, Jimmy John’s Home Depot, Sportman’s Warehouse, REI, local coffee shop so lots of places to kill time. Given that no one uses the chargers I have no problem charging at > 100kw when in the medium range of battery capacity 20-60%. Slows down as it gets closer to 90% and over as expected.
At home my 14-50 outlet charges at about 20-27 miles of range per hour. More than enough to charge up overnight or I set the timer if I am planning to leave on my long journey and want to top of to 100% so its sits at a minimum of time at 100%. Given my typical long journeys I am charging to 100% often (at least twice a week) and we will see what that does with the battery degradation. I realize it is not the best way to treat the battery but this is the real world. It is not my only car.
At my home in Big Sky I only currently have a 120V outlet and so it charges at 3 to 4 miles per hour even in the cold garage with typical temperature around freezing.
DRIVING DYNAMICS
I am very pleased with the driving dynamics of the Tesla. I own other high performance ICE cars and have track experience. The Tesla does a great job for the size and weight of the car, even on snow tires. I am looking forward to putting summer performance tires and seeing how it does, and likely spend a little time at the track with it for fun (if I can confirm getting charge there beyond 120V plugin). Acceleration is as you read everywhere, quite shocking in the first 100 feet with the instant torque delivery. Steering is nice but could be a bit stiffer (and I’ve only used sport mode on the steering). Air suspension is very forgiving but not mushy. Given the snow, I love the adjustable height.
Traction control is exceptional. I don’t know how much to attribute to the tires but I give them a thumbs up as well. First time using this particular tire. I almost opted for the Pirelli Sottozero as I like that tire on my sports cars (fantastic on an Audi R8 I have) but I knew this car was more of a long haul traveler for me so wanted a more direct snow tire rather than a “winter performance” tire. This thing climbs steep snowy driveways like nothing.
WINTER COMFORT
Unfortunately, in purchasing this vehicle I did not get the subzero package as I was getting tired of looking for “exactly” the right car and this had almost everything I wanted except that. But I’m not sure I miss it. The quick electric heating warms the car so much quicker than an ICE car, I do not care about no heated steering wheel. I rarely have passengers so the rear heated seats not important to me either. The heated wipers might have been nice as I did have the wipers ice up on me once but quick stop and got that taken care off. My car was originally from California so the windshield washer is obviously not filled with cold weather fluid so that is constantly freezing and rethawing. I do not think heated nozzles would fix the problems, but maybe.
Things I don’t like include the non-adjustable the windshield defroster …all or nothing, when it gets icy on the windshield. However, the regular heater with fan directed at the windshield does a good job with the right settings of keeping windows clear of snow. The driver’s footwell does not heat as well as it could when the fan is at less than about a setting of 5 when the temperatures are cold (like below zero). Fan set above 5 is when you get some noticeable fan noise. Not terrible but distracting in an otherwise fairly quiet car (it’s not S-class Mercedes quiet but still quite quiet).
AUDIO
Audio system is great. Not the best I have owned (BMW M3 with the Logic 7 system is still hands down my favorite) but nothing beats the variety of built in options to listen to. It’s still not clear to me what is all officially included and for how long (i.e., slacker radio, tune-in, etc). I am glad that mine has an AM radio as I have heard of other people’s car not having that option. Streaming from the phone is not the greatest as I don’t seem to have any control over the phone from the car controls which is something I have in my $30k Toyota FJ Cruiser which only has a two-line text screen on the radio. But, maybe I’m doing something wrong. Running music off a USB is a bit better but still limited in that you can’t create playlists, etc.
Wind and road noise are low but not exceptionally so. The high-end German sedans do a better job of this (S-class, A7/S7, 5- 7-series, Panamera).
OVERALL INTERIOR
Pleased but it is not exceptionally luxurious or anything. Leather and alcantara are of decent quality but I see better in the German cars. Plastics are relatively soft but there are still some hard plastic components that should not fit in a car of this expense such as the way the glovebox latches like I’m in a LeBaron. I have the black wood gloss trim and I don’t like that. Too many fingerprints and you can barely tell it’s wood except in the brighter light. Would rather it be matte and/or lighter in shade. No wireless charging for the phone is a big miss. The cupholders up by your elbow are more a distraction and annoyance than any convenience. Glass roof with sunroof is nice but really for the passengers as I can’t even tell its up there.
AUTOPILOT
I have the 1.0 hardware. I use it from time-to-time if the weather is good, but not for long periods typically. It does make driving a bit more comfortable and less taxing. I also like to use it if I need to do something short and distracting like putting on sunglasses or taking of my jacket. Certainly has a long way to go to full self-driving; for example how easy it gets confused by passing a highway exit ramp.
I do love the traffic-aware cruise control however. So much better than an ICE car on my hilly journey where the car is often hunting for the right gear, over-revving, or bogging down. With the electric motors and no transmission, it’s always smooth as silk. It’s just great.
WRAP-UP
Very pleased with this vehicle as a winter hauler on long journeys. It is quite comfortable and does a good job in winter road conditions (with the right tires, I suspect). I do realize I need a bit more range and now I am on the hunt for the perfect 100D. (I do not need the performance and range loss of a P100D). I have driven a Model 3 and prefer the S in interior, hatchback, performance, exterior styling, driving comfort. Overall though is just what an impression this care has made as my first BEV. I am so impressed by what it can do and ease of charging, etc. I am not certain I would go back to an ICE car again. My only regret is what took me so long to actually buy one. The negative press just really put a damper on my thinking.
Although I really support what Tesla is doing, I can’t wait to see what the Germans do to compete because I do love their cars (as you can tell from my frequent comparisons). Also, can’t wait for a pickup truck as I need a utility vehicle as well; so go Rivian! As a car lover and frequent buyer of vehicles this is just such an exciting time and I can’t wait to see what the future holds.
I purchased a used 2016 Tesla Model S (build date Oct 2016) through Carvana about 1 month ago. I will write up the purchase experience in another post for others considering the same.
I purchased the vehicle with 30k miles on it. First step was putting new snow tires which I did as soon as it was off the delivery truck (on a cold and windy -10 degree night). I had already ordered Michelin X-Ice Xi3 245/45R19 mounted on 19x8.5 Graphite Silver Rial Lugano wheels. The car was literally driven off the delivery truck into my shop and on the lift to get the tires changed out…I have not driven it with the stock wheels/tires yet.
For charging I am using a mix of the 14-50 outlet in my shop, one of three superchargers in the area (Billings, Big Timber, and Bozeman) and the 120V outlet at my second home in Big Sky.
In the one month I have owned it I have put on 2,830 miles. Average energy usage over that time is 386 Wh/mile. It has been a cold February. Temperatures have ranged from -25F to 40F with an average daily temperature in Billings of 8 degrees F.
Most of my driving has been a standard route between my homes in Billings and Big Sky. This is a 198-mile trip. Much of that is on I-90 at about 75 to 85 mph depending on road conditions (speed limit is 80mph on Montana highways) and the winding Canyon Road between Bozeman and Big Sky at typical speeds between 50 and 65 mph. There is no traffic in Montana and cities are small so very little “city driving”. There is significant elevation change throughout my most common route. I have attached elevation chart, started at ~3500 feet ASL and ending at about 7200 feet ASL. Total climb through the trip up to Big Sky Is 8500 feet.
RANGE DISCUSSION
The range of the car has been as expected. The car is officially rated for 294 miles of range. I knew I would not ever make that range as I would be driving in winter with cold outside temperature, the snow tires with poor rolling resistance, high speeds on Montana highways, and elevation changes for my route. I have been pleased but I want more. The range anxiety is too much for me on my 198-mile journey and not wanting to get stuck on cold winter roads. I have made the one-way journey non-stop only once when it was warmer out (about 40 degrees) and I set the cruise control to just under the speed limit at 78mph while on the highway. Other times the trip computer has told me I would have enough range but with less than 10 percent left at my destination and therefore decided to make a stop to recharge.
CHARGING
Living in Montana the supercharger’s are rarely used. Few Teslas. I have only seen another car at a supercharger twice (and I have used the superchargers at least a dozen time since I purchased the vehicle and both those vehicles were from out-of-state. Supercharge in Billings is near I-90 but a little out of the way from the exit with a couple of sit-down restaurants nearby (no fast food). The supercharger in Big Timber is at the infamous “Fort” which is a combination convenience store, liquor store, gun store and gift shop. I would be the only supercharger where you can buy guns and liquor. The Bozeman supercharger is conveniently off the highway at a Hilton Garden Inn near an Old Chicago Pizza, Lowe’s, and Wendy’s. A little bit further walk Starbuck, Ihop, KFC, Olive Garden, Jimmy John’s Home Depot, Sportman’s Warehouse, REI, local coffee shop so lots of places to kill time. Given that no one uses the chargers I have no problem charging at > 100kw when in the medium range of battery capacity 20-60%. Slows down as it gets closer to 90% and over as expected.
At home my 14-50 outlet charges at about 20-27 miles of range per hour. More than enough to charge up overnight or I set the timer if I am planning to leave on my long journey and want to top of to 100% so its sits at a minimum of time at 100%. Given my typical long journeys I am charging to 100% often (at least twice a week) and we will see what that does with the battery degradation. I realize it is not the best way to treat the battery but this is the real world. It is not my only car.
At my home in Big Sky I only currently have a 120V outlet and so it charges at 3 to 4 miles per hour even in the cold garage with typical temperature around freezing.
DRIVING DYNAMICS
I am very pleased with the driving dynamics of the Tesla. I own other high performance ICE cars and have track experience. The Tesla does a great job for the size and weight of the car, even on snow tires. I am looking forward to putting summer performance tires and seeing how it does, and likely spend a little time at the track with it for fun (if I can confirm getting charge there beyond 120V plugin). Acceleration is as you read everywhere, quite shocking in the first 100 feet with the instant torque delivery. Steering is nice but could be a bit stiffer (and I’ve only used sport mode on the steering). Air suspension is very forgiving but not mushy. Given the snow, I love the adjustable height.
Traction control is exceptional. I don’t know how much to attribute to the tires but I give them a thumbs up as well. First time using this particular tire. I almost opted for the Pirelli Sottozero as I like that tire on my sports cars (fantastic on an Audi R8 I have) but I knew this car was more of a long haul traveler for me so wanted a more direct snow tire rather than a “winter performance” tire. This thing climbs steep snowy driveways like nothing.
WINTER COMFORT
Unfortunately, in purchasing this vehicle I did not get the subzero package as I was getting tired of looking for “exactly” the right car and this had almost everything I wanted except that. But I’m not sure I miss it. The quick electric heating warms the car so much quicker than an ICE car, I do not care about no heated steering wheel. I rarely have passengers so the rear heated seats not important to me either. The heated wipers might have been nice as I did have the wipers ice up on me once but quick stop and got that taken care off. My car was originally from California so the windshield washer is obviously not filled with cold weather fluid so that is constantly freezing and rethawing. I do not think heated nozzles would fix the problems, but maybe.
Things I don’t like include the non-adjustable the windshield defroster …all or nothing, when it gets icy on the windshield. However, the regular heater with fan directed at the windshield does a good job with the right settings of keeping windows clear of snow. The driver’s footwell does not heat as well as it could when the fan is at less than about a setting of 5 when the temperatures are cold (like below zero). Fan set above 5 is when you get some noticeable fan noise. Not terrible but distracting in an otherwise fairly quiet car (it’s not S-class Mercedes quiet but still quite quiet).
AUDIO
Audio system is great. Not the best I have owned (BMW M3 with the Logic 7 system is still hands down my favorite) but nothing beats the variety of built in options to listen to. It’s still not clear to me what is all officially included and for how long (i.e., slacker radio, tune-in, etc). I am glad that mine has an AM radio as I have heard of other people’s car not having that option. Streaming from the phone is not the greatest as I don’t seem to have any control over the phone from the car controls which is something I have in my $30k Toyota FJ Cruiser which only has a two-line text screen on the radio. But, maybe I’m doing something wrong. Running music off a USB is a bit better but still limited in that you can’t create playlists, etc.
Wind and road noise are low but not exceptionally so. The high-end German sedans do a better job of this (S-class, A7/S7, 5- 7-series, Panamera).
OVERALL INTERIOR
Pleased but it is not exceptionally luxurious or anything. Leather and alcantara are of decent quality but I see better in the German cars. Plastics are relatively soft but there are still some hard plastic components that should not fit in a car of this expense such as the way the glovebox latches like I’m in a LeBaron. I have the black wood gloss trim and I don’t like that. Too many fingerprints and you can barely tell it’s wood except in the brighter light. Would rather it be matte and/or lighter in shade. No wireless charging for the phone is a big miss. The cupholders up by your elbow are more a distraction and annoyance than any convenience. Glass roof with sunroof is nice but really for the passengers as I can’t even tell its up there.
AUTOPILOT
I have the 1.0 hardware. I use it from time-to-time if the weather is good, but not for long periods typically. It does make driving a bit more comfortable and less taxing. I also like to use it if I need to do something short and distracting like putting on sunglasses or taking of my jacket. Certainly has a long way to go to full self-driving; for example how easy it gets confused by passing a highway exit ramp.
I do love the traffic-aware cruise control however. So much better than an ICE car on my hilly journey where the car is often hunting for the right gear, over-revving, or bogging down. With the electric motors and no transmission, it’s always smooth as silk. It’s just great.
WRAP-UP
Very pleased with this vehicle as a winter hauler on long journeys. It is quite comfortable and does a good job in winter road conditions (with the right tires, I suspect). I do realize I need a bit more range and now I am on the hunt for the perfect 100D. (I do not need the performance and range loss of a P100D). I have driven a Model 3 and prefer the S in interior, hatchback, performance, exterior styling, driving comfort. Overall though is just what an impression this care has made as my first BEV. I am so impressed by what it can do and ease of charging, etc. I am not certain I would go back to an ICE car again. My only regret is what took me so long to actually buy one. The negative press just really put a damper on my thinking.
Although I really support what Tesla is doing, I can’t wait to see what the Germans do to compete because I do love their cars (as you can tell from my frequent comparisons). Also, can’t wait for a pickup truck as I need a utility vehicle as well; so go Rivian! As a car lover and frequent buyer of vehicles this is just such an exciting time and I can’t wait to see what the future holds.